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Article #6567Re: gravitational bending of light, surprising?
From: PD
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:30
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:30
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On May 20, 8:52 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > On May 19, 7:22 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 19, 12:05 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > Then the clever teacher should explain: "Brothers Einsteinans, > > > Einstein's 1911 calculation based on Newton's emission theory of light > > > was wrong/correct and inconsistent/consistent with the gravitational > > > redshift factor 1+V/c^2, Einstein's 1916 calculation was correct/wrong > > > and consistent/inconsistent with the gravitational redshift factor 1+V/ > > > c^2, but in any case the speed of light in a gravitational field is > > > VARIABLE. So those who teach you that the speed of light in a > > > gravitational field is constant are by no means clever teachers." > > > You know, Pentcho, at some point you should take responsibility for > > your own confusion -- and CORRECT it -- rather than pinning the blame > > on teachers for your confusion. It's really not a big deal. It happens > > to students every day that they misunderstand something that their > > teacher said, and you don't find them spending their lifetimes > > expressing their outrage at their teachers for their misunderstanding. > > > PD > > ------------------------ > what is misunderstanding by knowing that > the photon has mass > from say the formulas E=hf > and therefore bends next to the sun Because Newtonian physics DOES predict that *qualitatively*, just like you do. But, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, *qualitative* is not enough. The Newtonian prediction is *quantitatively* wrong. Which is enough to say that it is just plain wrong, even *qualitatively*. > > may be it is the misunderstanding of > parrot teachers that waist the precious > human resources by THEIR misunderstandings ??? > what is the misunderstanding by un derstanding that the photon is > a limit case OF A MASS > that moves at c ??? > > and people why misunderstand > and consider themselves as understanding > all physics > and then blaming others for misunderstandings !! > that is inmany cases much wrong than misunderstanding > that is > **dishonesty **!!! > > Y.Porat > ----------------------------- > > -----------------
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