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Article #6608Re: SCIENCE AND IDEOLOGY
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:17
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:17
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On May 17, 7:19Β pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The following text is written by a high-ranking Einsteinian, Steve > Carlip. Try to find deliberate absurdity, inconsistency, camouflage > etc. that make it ideological rather than scientific: > > http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SpeedOfLight/speed_of_light.html > Steve Carlip: "Is c, the speed of light in vacuum, constant? At the > 1983 Conference Generale des Poids et Mesures, the following SI > (Systeme International) definition of the metre was adopted: The metre > is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time > interval of 1/299 792 458 of a second. This defines the speed of light > in vacuum to be exactly 299,792,458 m/s. This provides a very short > answer to the question "Is c constant": Yes, c is CONSTANT BY > DEFINITION!....Einstein went on to discover a more general theory of > relativity which explained gravity in terms of curved spacetime, and > he talked about the speed of light changing in this new theory. In the > 1920 book "Relativity: the special and general theory" he wrote: > ". . . according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the > constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of > the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity > [. . .] cannot claim any unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of > light can only take place when the velocity of propagation of light > varies with position." Since Einstein talks of velocity (a vector > quantity: speed with direction) rather than speed alone, it is not > clear that he meant the speed will change, but the reference to > special relativity suggests that he did mean so. THIS INTERPRETATION > IS PERFECTLY VALID AND MAKES GOOD PHYSICAL SENSE, BUT A MORE MODERN > INTERPRETATION IS THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS CONSTANT in general > relativity." More examples of deliberate confusion introduced by Einsteiniana's ideologues. Richard Conn Henry seems to hate Einstein's 1905 false light postulate (perhaps he finds it too dangerous) and sees Minkowski's spacetime as salvation: http://www.spacetimecenter.org/conferences/2008/Henry.pdf Teaching Special Relativity: Minkowski trumps Einstein Richard Conn Henry Henry A. Rowland Department of Physics and Astronomy The Johns Hopkins University "Students find physics difficultI am thinking of first-year undergraduate university physics majors. I found it difficult myself, and it took me almost 40 years of teaching physics to fully understand the reasons for the perceived "difficulty." Why do students who find mathematics easy to understand, find physics difficult to understand?....How grotesquely badly we teach special relativity encapsulates the practical problem of teaching physics to the freshman physics major. I have never found a single freshman physics textbook that teaches Minkowski spacetime; I have never found a single text on General Relativity that mentions "Einstein's two postulates.".....There is no doubt that, historically, Albert Einstein, in 1905, did introduce two postulates (and also, that it is he who discovered special relativity). But the second of these postulates (the one concerning the constancy of c, just in case Reese has confused you!) did not survive the year. In September of 1905 Einstein published a development from relativitythe discovery of the implication that E = mc2 , and in this new paper he mentions a single postulate only. But the paper contains a sweet footnote: "The principle of the constancy of the velocity of light is of course contained in Maxwell's equations." How I love that "of course!" Einstein was human!......Antique postulates that are not of anything but historical interest to genuine physicists are presented to students as "Special Relativity.".....I feel that the time has come to relegate the "two postulates" to the dustbin of history, and to teach special relativity to undergraduates (or indeed, to middle school students) the Minkowski way." In contrast, Andreas Albrecht considers "razing Minkowski's arena" and getting "any laws of physics you want" (e.g. you want a law of physics that says the speed of light is variable, but when it comes to questioning Divine Albert's Divine Theory, you want a law of physics that says the speed of light is constant): http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/35992/title/It%E2%80%99s_Likely_That_Times_Are_Changing "I showed that you could make different choices of what you mean by time and get any laws of physics you want," he says. Freedom to choose "time" therefore implies that the laws of physics arenβt indelibly inscribed with Sharpies on indestructible stone tablets, but are more like multiple drafts of legislative bills with details still at the whim of editors wielding word processors. Some of those laws might not even include any provision for space, leaving time partnerless....To Albrecht, the dark energy mystery suggests that its time for physics to drop old prejudices about how natures laws ought to be and search instead for how they really are. And that might mean razing Minkowski's arena and rebuilding it from a new design. It seems to me like its a time in the development of physics, says Albrecht, where its time to look at how we think about space and time very differently." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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