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Article #6744Re: WHO IS WELCOME TO TRY TO KILL SPECIAL RELATIVITY?
From: papa_rios
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:40
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 15:40
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On 5 mayo, 10:43, Strich-Reply-To-Idiots <iqgoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5 Maijs, 10:32, papa_r...@hotmail.com wrote: > OK David, we all know you are unable to read, less understand, and much less accept that you are wrong. As recent as last week, scientists are discussing the increasing importance of relativity on astrodynamics. I, for sure, have more confidence on this knowledgeable group of people, than in an ignorant wacko like you David (nothing personal you know!). RELATIVITY IN FUNDAMENTAL ASTRONOMY: Dynamics, Reference Frames, And Data Analysis 27 April - 1 May 2009, Virginia Beach, USA SYMPOSIUM SCIENTIFIC RATIONALE: The tremendous progress in technology, which we have witnessed during the last 30 years, has led to enormous improvements of accuracy in the disciplines of astrometry and time. Considering the growth of accuracy of positional observations in the course of time, we see that during the 25 years between 1988 and 2013 we expect the same gain in accuracy (4.5 orders of magnitude) as that realized during the whole previous history of astrometry, from Hipparchus till 1988 (over 2000 years). Observational techniques like Lunar and Satellite Laser Ranging, Radar and Doppler Ranging, Very Long Baseline Interferometry, high-precision atomic clocks, etc., have made it possible to probe the kinematical and dynamical properties of celestial bodies to unprecedented accuracy. It is clear that for current accuracy requirements astronomical problems have to be formulated within the framework of Einstein's theory of gravity (General Relativity Theory). Many high-precision astronomical techniques have already required the application of relativistic effects, which are several orders of magnitude larger than the technical accuracy of observations. In order to interpret the results of such observations, one has to construct involved relativistic models. Many current and planned observational projects cannot achieve their goals if relativity is not taken into account properly. The future projects will require the introduction of higher order relativistic models. To make the relativistic models consistent with each other for different observational techniques, to formulate them in the simplest possible way for a given accuracy, and to formulate them in a language understandable for astronomers and engineers who have little knowledge of relativity, are the challenges of a multidisciplinary research field called Applied Relativity. Applied Relativity emerged about 20-25 years ago, around the time of the first and only IAU Symposium devoted to that field, namely IAU Symposium 114 entitled "Relativity in celestial mechanics and astrometry" held in St. Petersburg, Russia in 1985. This Symposium has the goal to overview and summarize the progress that Applied Relativity has made during the past quarter of a century and to develop the basis for the future of this discipline. Since 1985 we have seen many changes in the field. The IAU has adopted a number of resolutions, where the standard IAU framework for relativistic modelling was formulated. The IERS Conventions, one of the most important documents containing a set of models used by the International Earth Rotation and Reference Systems Service (IERS), has become consistently relativistic. The impact of this development is far beyond the realm of fundamental astronomy. For example, the standard software libraries like SOFA and NOVAS, which are widely used by the astronomical community, have been influenced significantly by the developments in that field. Astronomical time scales and time transfer algorithms are known to be very sensitive to relativistic effects. Timing observations have the largest ratio between the size of relativistic effects and accuracy. The definitions of astronomical time scales, which are fully consistent with Relativity, were completed in 2006. Also, the dynamical modelling for the solar system (major and minor planets), for deep space navigation, and for the dynamics of Earth's satellites must be consistent with Relativity. Although a lot of effort has been made in these fields, there are many subtle issues, which become obvious from comparisons with models used in different fields. It is one of the goals of this Symposium to facilitate the exchange between astronomers working in different areas. Since the formulation of General Relativity in 1915, astronomical observations have played a very important role for testing this theory. Three of the four classical tests of General Relativity are based on astronomical observations. The Symposium is expected to bring together both experts interpreting high-accuracy astronomical observations and physicists working in the field of General Relativity. It is expected that within a decade from now the main relativistic parameters will be measured with about 7 digits. Considering that at such a high level of accuracy interpretation of astronomical data becomes increasingly complicated and tricky, discussions among these two communities are highly desirable. Miguel Rios
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