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Article #6790Re: THE WAVE MODEL OF LIGHT AND EINSTEINIANA
From: RP
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 19:43
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 19:43
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On May 3, 8:59 am, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > On May 3, 8:37 am, RP <no_mail_no_s...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > It his difficult to conceive a mind that could see so much > > > more than his contemporaries yet miss so much that > > > we take for granted. But whatever will we do with > > > our 20/20 hindsight if we don't use it to play tricks on > > > ourselves. > > ============ > > > Sue, I believe that people don't actually click the links and read the > > material. I prefer to quote the relevant passages. That being said: > > > "By > > seeking the simplest differential equations which can be obeyed by an > > affine > > correlation there is reason to hope that a generalization of the > > gravitation > > equations will be found which includes the laws of the electromagnetic > > field. > > This hope has in fact been fulfilled although I do not know whether > > the formal > > connection so derived can really be regarded as an enrichment of > > physics > > as long as it does not yield any new physical connections. In > > particular a field > > theory can, to my mind, only be satisfactory when it permits the > > elementary > > electrical bodies to be represented as solutions free from > > singularities." > > I see your point. If people are too stubborn to click > on the links, a bit of ragged word wrapping is just what > they deserve. Harumph! Spare the rod... I always say. > > :-) > > > > > Regarding Einstein's last thought in that passage concerning the > > requirement of a theory representing charged bodies free of > > singularities: From Feynman (#2 below): > > http://prola.aps.org/pdf/RMP/v21/i3/p425_1 > > > > > "(1) There is no such concept as "the" field, an independent entity > > with degrees of freedom of its own > > (2) There is no action of an elementary charge upon itself and > > consequently no problem of an infinity of energy of the > > electromagnetic field. > > (3) The symmetry between past and future in the prescription for the > > fields is not a mere logical possibility, as in the usual theory, but > > a postulational requirement." > > I am still scratching my head over number 3 because it > appears often in cosmology and metaphysics. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeler%E2%80%93Feynman_absorber_theory > > You nicely described a probability-amplitude in > another post. I think many students forget the > statistics of oscillators which are rolled into > that expression and erroneously assume something > physical of what was only a probability. > > For the Cavendish balance that won't overload > a horse-drawn buggy, it seems of little consequence > if time is symmetric. > > * invariance with respect to time translation > gives the well-known law of conservation of > energy >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem > > Atomic emission and absorption are not even > required for induction currents so there is > nothing to count to support a formalism that relies > on statistics. > > Sue...- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I'm not convinced of number 3 either. Perhaps it was a mistake of Feynman's to attempt to remain consistent with Maxwell-Lorentz in his direct particle interaction theory. SR is after all a limiting case. If the theory is altered so as to incorporate retarded interactions exclusively, then the breaking of lorentz symmetry won't necessarily bring the universe screeching to a halt.
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