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Article #680Re: DARK ENERGY AND DARK MINDS
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:21
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 00:21
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On Mar 28, 11:21 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The journal Nature exercising itself in crimestop in 1979: > > http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v277/n5698/abs/277633a0.html > Nature 277, 633 - 635 (22 February 1979) > Photon decay in curved space-time > D. F. CRAWFORD > School of Physics, University of Sydney, New South Wales 2006, > Australia > "RECENT astrophysical observations have raised doubts as to whether > the large redshifts of distant galaxies (the Hubble redshift) are due > entirely to cosmological expansion. The strongest argument in favour > of cosmological expansion is that there is no known hypothesis > consistent with the laws of physics (other than the Doppler shift > hypothesis) that can explain the observed redshifts. An alternative > explanation - a gradual energy loss of photons due to their > interaction with curved space-time - is considered here." > > http://www.liferesearchuniversal.com/1984-17.html#seventeen > George Orwell: "Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as > though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It > includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive > logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are > inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of > thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. > Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity." > > The dangerous thought at the threshold of which the journal Nature > will always stop short: It is reasonable to assume that "energy loss > of photons" can be explained in terms of "speed loss of photons". > > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > The only reason behind Dark Energy: > > http://www.physorg.com/news179508040.html > "More than a dozen ground-based Dark Energy projects are proposed or > under way, and at least four space-based missions, each of the order > of a billion dollars, are at the design concept stage." > > Sometimes the correct solution to the problem (the speed of light > decreases with distance and this causes Hubble's redshift) is hinted > at in Einsteiniana but then billions may not come and Einsteinians > promise not to hint anymore: > > http://www.sciscoop.com/story/2008/10/30/41323/484 > "Does the apparently constant speed of light change over the vast > stretches of the universe? Would our understanding of black holes, > ancient supernovae, dark matter, dark energy, the origins of the > universe and its ultimate fate be different if the speed of light were > not constant?.....Couldn't it be that the supposed vacuum of space is > acting as an interstellar medium to lower the speed of light like some > cosmic swimming pool? If so, wouldn't a stick plunged into the pool > appear bent as the light is refracted and won't that affect all our > observations about the universe. I asked theoretical physicist Leonard > Susskind, author of The Black Hole War, recently reviewed in Science > Books to explain this apparent anomaly....."You are entirely right," > he told me, "there are all sorts of effects on the propagation of > light that astronomers and astrophysicists must account for. The point > of course is that they (not me) do take these effects into account and > correct for them." "In a way this work is very heroic but unheralded," > adds Susskind, "An immense amount of extremely brilliant analysis has > gone into the detailed corrections that are needed to eliminate these > 'spurious' effects so that people like me can just say 'light travels > with the speed of light.' So, there you have it. My concern about > cosmic swimming pools and bent sticks does indeed apply, but > physicists have taken the deviations into account so that other > physicists, such as Susskind, who once proved Stephen Hawking wrong, > can battle their way to a better understanding of the universe." > > http://www.springerlink.com/content/w6777w07xn737590/fulltext.pdf > Misconceptions about the Hubble recession law > Wilfred H. Sorrell, Astrophys Space Sci > "Reber (1982) pointed out that Hubble himself was never an advocate > for the expanding universe idea. Indeed, it was Hubble who personally > thought that a model universe based on the tired-light hypothesis is > more simple and less irrational than a model universe based on an > expanding spacetime geometry (...) ...any photon gradually loses its > energy while traveling over a large distance in the vast space of the > universe." > > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,757145,00.html > Monday, Dec. 14, 1936: "Other causes for the redshift were suggested, > such as cosmic dust or a change in the nature of light over great > stretches of space. Two years ago Dr. Hubble admitted that the > expanding universe might be an illusion, but implied that this was a > cautious and colorless view. Last week it was apparent that he had > shifted his position even further away from a literal interpretation > of the redshift, that he now regards the expanding universe as more > improbable than a non-expanding one." > > In the end dark minds enter the stage and things get irreversible > (billions are guaranteed): > > http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/87150187.html > "Dark Energy: The Biggest Mystery in the Universe (...) "We have a > complete inventory of the universe," Sean Carroll, a California > Institute of Technology cosmologist, has said, "and it makes no > sense." > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/6057362/Give-scientists-the-freedo... > Martin Rees: "Over the past week, two stories in the press have > suggested that scientists have been very wrong about some very big > issues. First, a new paper seemed to suggest that dark energy the > mysterious force that makes up three quarters of the universe, and is > pushing the galaxies further apart might not even exist." > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7522026/Hubble-telesc... > "And the astronomers found that the universe was growing faster and > faster with time, as predicted by Einstein in his theory of general > relativity. Scientists claim that the universe is made up of three > different components - normal matter, which is the physical objects in > the universe such as the planets - dark matter, which is invisible > matter that creates the gravitational pull that causes galaxies to > form - and an unknown energy referred to as "dark energy", the force > which causes the universe to expand. Einstein's theory of general > relativity claims that space and time are a geometrical structure > which can be changed by the behaviour of the matter inside it. So > proof that the expansion of the universe is speeding up shows that the > contents of the universe, such as the "dark energy" causing it to > inflate, are influencing its structure. Ludovic Van Waerbeke, of the > Department of Physics and Astronomy at Leiden University in the > Netherlands, said: "Our results confirmed that there is an unknown > source of energy in the universe which is causing the cosmic expansion > to speed up, stretching the dark matter further apart exactly as > predicted by Einstein's theory." > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com Intelligent design? You have to be intelligent to see it. Mitch Raemsch
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