🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #6811

Re: THE WAVE MODEL OF LIGHT AND EINSTEINIANA

#6811
From: RP
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 03:29
58 lines
4664 bytes
On May 2, 9:34 pm, "Sue..." <suzysewns...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> On May 2, 10:07 pm, RP <no_mail_no_s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
> ==========
>
>  In my estimation precisely
>
> > this same error is committed in the case of the gravitational
> > interactions that we observe. If a complexity of electromagnetic
> > interactions can cause neutral objects to repel each other (ordinary
> > collisions), then it must also be possible for a similar complexity of
> > electromagnetic interactions to cause neutral masses to attract one
> > another. And indeed, in the case of oppositely charged masses, they do
> > attract, not just the charges of opposite sign, but the entire neutral
> > mass to which these charges are bound.
>
> Welcome to the horse's ass club. The view and the smell
> isn't so great but we are confident you can get there
> quicker by letting the horse get there first.  ;-)
>
> Sue...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_gravityhttp://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/inddip.html
>
> Emergent gravityhttp://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-12/articlesu25....
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_dynamics#Long-range_interactio...
>
> The Origin of Gravity
> Authors: C. P. Kouropouloshttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107015http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0107015v1

I left of the clincher.  Go back to Einstein's famous thought
experiment of the observer in an elevator.  In this case Einstein
argues that such an observer cannot distinguish his inertial
acceleration from a gravitational field. From this argument he argues
in favor of the equivalence principle, stating that gravitational
forces are exactly the same as inertial forces because they are
completely indistinguishable. From this is derived the equivalence of
inertial and gravitaitonal mass.

Well there is no mystery here when it is accepted that gravitational
forces are electromagnetic in orign. In the case of the observer on
the elevator, as already explained, the forces are exclusively
electromagnetic. It is actually electromagnetic repulsion accerlating
the observer. So here Einstein is equating gravity, an attractive
force, to a repulsive electromagnetic force.  I'm certain that had he
percieved his blunder here, he would have imm..ediately recanted all
of his papers on GR, and immediately set out to correct that error.
What's ironic here is that he did indeed notice an error in his logic,
and spent about 30 years in the attempt to unify electromagnetism and
gravity.  He did not however have the correct electromagnetic theory
at his disposal, namely the direct particle interaction theory that
conforms to the metrical approach.  This theory wasn't relativised
until Feynman, and so it simply wasn't available to Einstein during
those 30 years.
Technical Details
Message-ID: <017765c1-eb15-45c9-a0dc-253b2ed38422@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <5112e7a6-900b-48c5-b6be-f94e7f0e1b88@z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> <8c0809ca-3771-4cfc-817a-b29c98e0e42e@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com> <FY2dnXD90tmM6mHUnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@supernews.com> <9558276b-162a-41fd-9810-ca6acf529904@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <66049b8f-812d-4dd8-8fec-c36ba7032783@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com> <82fcbdb8-0ddb-4e94-959e-2281de613b19@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com> <d60f678c-6696-46d7-87d3-eb9c4521ce48@r36g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: d820f4ac3c,ba5f828f530b3984
X-Google-Attributes: gidd820f4ac3c,public,usenet
X-Google-NewGroupId: yes
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: RP <no_mail_no_spam@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro,alt.philosophy
Subject: Re: THE WAVE MODEL OF LIGHT AND EINSTEINIANA
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:29:18 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 59
Message-ID: <017765c1-eb15-45c9-a0dc-253b2ed38422@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
References: <5112e7a6-900b-48c5-b6be-f94e7f0e1b88@z7g2000vbh.googlegroups.com> 
 <8c0809ca-3771-4cfc-817a-b29c98e0e42e@e20g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>
 <FY2dnXD90tmM6mHUnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@supernews.com> <9558276b-162a-41fd-9810-ca6acf529904@l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
 <66049b8f-812d-4dd8-8fec-c36ba7032783@z5g2000vba.googlegroups.com>
 <82fcbdb8-0ddb-4e94-959e-2281de613b19@r3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
 <d60f678c-6696-46d7-87d3-eb9c4521ce48@r36g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.120.147.112
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1241321358 26703 127.0.0.1 (3 May 2009 03:29:18 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 03:29:18 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: l28g2000vba.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.120.147.112; 
 posting-account=8gzREwkAAADXDFGUy6Z1kZHNqsMr5L-X
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; 
 Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR
 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)