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Re: Time dilation #2

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From: Henry Sharma
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:56
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"harry" <harald.vanlintelButNotThis@epfl.ch> wrote:
>...the above equation of mathpages does appear to be erroneous. Reminder, 
>mathpages:  "we have c_r =1+2phi, which corresponds to Einstein's 1911
>equation, except that we have a factor of 2 instead of 1 on the
>potential term."

That equation is correct, assuming "c_r" represents the radial speed
in Schwarzschild coordinates. What makes you think it isn't correct?  

>Apparently the different light bending prediction of 1916 was due to an 
>important detail of the calculation (which I never reproduced)...

The calculation can be found in many good references (including the
mathpages you mentioned above), and the source of the doubling of the
deflection is clearly shown.

>  ... and not due to a change in the light speed equation as sometimes 
>  suggested in the literature.

The same fact that causes the speed of light to be different in
different directions also results in the factor of 2 in the
deflection. Perhaps this is what the literature is suggesting?

>As a matter of fact, the information about this topic in the literature is 
>both scarce and confused. 

I know a guy who was married fived times, and says each of his wives
was impossible to live with.
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