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Article #6882THE CLAUSIUS THEOREM
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:17
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 06:17
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Consider: http://www.me.umn.edu/education/courses/me3331/modules/3331-Mod-28.pdf more precisely "The Clausius Theorem" and the assumption entitled "Equivalent reversible and irreversible processes" according to which any "Irreversible Process" can be closed by a reversible process (in this case consisting of a "Reversible Adiabat", "Reversible Isotherm" and "Reversible Adiabat") to become a cycle. Is the assumption correct? If it is not, what remains of the concept of entropy? This is one of the most dangerous questions in thermodynamics. For 140 years it has been asked only once, by Jos Uffink: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ p.39: "A more important objection, it seems to me, is that Clausius bases his conclusion that the entropy increases in a nicht umkehrbar [irreversible] process on the assumption that such a process can be closed by an umkehrbar [reversible] process to become a cycle. This is essential for the definition of the entropy difference between the initial and final states. But the assumption is far from obvious for a system more complex than an ideal gas, or for states far from equilibrium, or for processes other than the simple exchange of heat and work. Thus, the generalisation to all transformations occurring in Nature is somewhat rash." The answer to the dangerous question is implicit in Uffink's conclusion: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/ Jos Uffink: "This summary leads to the question whether it is fruitful to see irreversibility or time-asymmetry as the essence of the second law. Is it not more straightforward, in view of the unargued statements of Kelvin, the bold claims of Clausius and the strained attempts of Planck, to give up this idea? I believe that Ehrenfest- Afanassjewa was right in her verdict that the discussion about the arrow of time as expressed in the second law of the thermodynamics is actually a RED HERRING." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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