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Article #7001Re: Steve Carlip about the speed of light
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:42
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:42
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On Feb 25, 5:33 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.research/msg/c7eddf24b59b0840 > Steve Carlip: "In special relativity, the speed of light is constant > when measured in any *inertial* frame. In general relativity, the > appropriate generalization is that the speed of light is constant in > any freely falling reference frame (in a region small enough that > tidal effects can be neglected). In this passage, Einstein is not > talking about a freely falling frame, but rather about a frame at rest > relative to a source of gravity. In such a frame, the speed of light > can differ from c, basically because of the effect of gravity > (spacetime curvature) on clocks and rulers." > > Honest Carlip, is the gravitational frequency shift, e.g. that > measured by Pound and Rebka, caused by the fact that "the speed of > light can differ from c"? Your sillier brothers teach the > gravitational frequency shift is consistent with variable wavelength > while the speed of light remains constant, in accordance with the > formula: > > frequency = (speed of light)/(wavelength) > > Why don't you teach your sillier brothers, Honest Carlip? Is this > ambiguity the fundamental task of Einsteiniana? Brother Paul Davies wants to confuse you, Honest Carlip, but you will not be taken in, will you: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2004/apr/10/spaceexploration.comment Paul Davies: "Then, in 1960, the third test was finally conducted with reasonable accuracy. Physicists at Harvard University measured a small shift in the frequency of gamma rays directed vertically up a tower, confirming that gravity slows time." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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