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Article #7005Re: Physics and the human condition
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:19
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:19
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On Feb 16, 2:25ย pm, John Kennaugh <J...@notworking.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in sci.physics.relativity: > "Until the box is opened Schrodingers cat is both alive and dead" > > To understand why incredibly silly ideas are accepted in physics by > intelligent people one needs to first understand the human condition. > The human species has a very strong sheep like instinct where if enough > people believe something everyone assumes it must be OK. As an example > most evil in the world is not caused by evil people but by the people > who follow them and those who accept what is happening because everyone > else does. > > ย "We shall have to repent, not for the evil deeds of the wicked, but for > the silence of the good." - Martin Luther King > > We have evolved as pack animals and have a natural instinct to find a > leader to follow and to match our behaviour with that of the pack (or > tribe) we identify with. To be driven from the pack is, in evolutionary > terms, a personal disaster. One can see how this manifests itself in the > power of peer pressure at a young age. > > Adults are no more sophisticated. One can see the same desire to conform > fuelling the economy in the form of 'fashion'. The apparently > uncontrollable desire by intelligent people to get rid of a perfectly > functional object just because it is no longer a fashionable colour or > shape is an uncontrollable desire to be at one with the 'tribe'. It > makes no logical sense. > > We have just seen a prime example in banking. Everyone else was lending > money to people who may not be able to pay it back so it must be OK. I > haven't had a bonus in my life and the salaries these people have are > beyond my wildest dreams but I realised that property prices depend not > on how much money an individual has, but on how much he can borrow. If > there is a sensible fixed ratio between the amount you earn and the > amount you can borrow then there is a sensible ceiling on house prices > which cannot rise unless salaries rise. Financial institutions come up > with ingenious ways of breaking the link with salary so that people > could borrow more, house prices rose beyond the sensible ceiling and it > was obvious to me that it would end in tears. I don't have > qualifications in banking but I was certain that house prices would > crash. Unfortunately I didn't realise the crass stupidity was a world > wide phenomena and that it would have a devastating effect on my pension > fund :o(. > > I don't suppose a top physicist is anymore intelligent than a top > financier (although in all probability gets paid a great deal less). > Modern physics has become just as silly but everyone inside of physics > adds to the false sense of unity that says it must be OK. > > "The great majority of physical scientists, including practically all > who conduct experiments in physics and are known to the world as > scientific leaders confess, when faced with an irreconcilable criticism > of Special Relativity, that they regard it as nonsense. They accept the > theory because a few mathematical specialists in the subject say they > should do so, or because they do not understand it at all but accept the > theory as established by others and therefore a safe framework for their > experiments." ย Report on Dingle's criticism of Physics. Special relativity regarded as nonsense: http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Simultaneity-Routledge-Contemporary-Philosophy/dp/0415701740 Einstein, Relativity and Absolute Simultaneity (Routledge Studies in Contemporary Philosophy) "Unfortunately for Einstein's Special Theory, however, its epistemological and ontological assumptions are now seen to be questionable, unjustified, false, perhaps even illogical." Joao Magueijo, PLUS VITE QUE LA LUMIERE, Dunod, 2003, pp. 298-299: "La racine du mal etait clairement la relativite restreinte. Tous ces paradoxes resultaient d'effets bien connus comme la contraction des longueurs, la dilatation du temps, ou E=mc^2, tous des predictions directes de la relativite restreinte. (...) La consequence en etait inevitable: pour edifier une theorie coherente de la gravite quantique, quelle qu'elle soit, nous [Joao Magueijo et Lee Smolin] devions commencer par abandonner la relativite restreinte. (...) Mais, comme nous l'avons vu, celle-ci repose sur deux principes independants. Le premier est la relativite du mouvement, le second la constance de la vitesse de la lumiere. Une des solutions possibles a notre probleme pouvait etre d'abandonner la relativite du mouvement. (...) C'est une possibilite bien sur, mais nous avons choisi l'alternative evidente: preserver la relativite du mouvement, mais admettre qu'a de tres hautes energies, la vitesse de la lumiere ne soit plus constante." http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm Lee Smolin: "Quantum theory was not the only theory that bothered Einstein. Few people have appreciated how dissatisfied he was with his own theories of relativity. Special relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that the laws of electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that the speed of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how the source or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that theory are that energy and mass are equivalent (the now- legendary relationship E = mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not absolute. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG WITHIN TWO YEARS OF PUBLISHING IT." http://www.fqxi.org/data/articles/Searching_for_the_Golden_Spike.pdf "Loop quantum gravity also makes the heretical prediction that the speed of light depends on its frequency. That prediction violates special relativity, Einstein's rule that light in a vacuum travels at a constant speed for all observers..." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E03E7D8143FF932A05751C1A9649C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all "As propounded by Einstein as an audaciously confident young patent clerk in 1905, relativity declares that the laws of physics, and in particular the speed of light -- 186,000 miles per second -- are the same no matter where you are or how fast you are moving. Generations of students and philosophers have struggled with the paradoxical consequences of Einstein's deceptively simple notion, which underlies all of modern physics and technology, wrestling with clocks that speed up and slow down, yardsticks that contract and expand and bad jokes using the word ''relative.''......''Perhaps relativity is too restrictive for what we need in quantum gravity,'' Dr. Magueijo said. ''We need to drop a postulate, perhaps the constancy of the speed of light.'' Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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