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Article #7044Re: POSTSCIENTISM: THE FUNDAMENTAL FALSEHOODS
From: Androcles
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:29
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:29
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"Haines Brown" <brownh@teufel.hartford-hwp.com> wrote in message news:878wr2622t.fsf@teufel.hartford-hwp.com... > Pentcho, what's your point? > > What do you mean by "postscientism"? Based on possible meanings of > scientism, I presume it refers to a situation in which either a) all > domains of knowledge are no longer constrained by the findings of > natural science, or b) the categories and axioms of natural science will > no longer be employed in other domains of knowledge. > > The former notion of scientism seems implied by the notion of emergent > levels in our domains of knowledge and does not compromise the distinct > character, contrained independence or importance of these emergent > domains. The latter meaning seems obviously problematic, but I don't see > that it has actually come to pass. > > In either case, "postscientism" might imply a hopeless project to turn > the clock of history back. Since the so-called Second Industrial > Revolution, our world is increasingly transformed by our scientific > knowledge. Anything "postscientific" would have to be responsive to the > actual world in which we live and transcend rather than simply > substitute for it. > > Any imagined future that is not responsive to the world in which we > actually find ourselves at present, responding to both its limitations > and its potentials, would seem utopian, a pointless exercise. > > -- > > Haines Brown, KB1GRM > Haines, what do you mean by "the categories and axioms of natural science" and "knowledge"? Indeed, what do you mean by "natural" science? Our world is transformed by technology, not by papers purporting to be knowledge. Any technology based on the epicycles of Ptolemy or the insane scribbling of Einstein would be a pointless exercise - as history has shown, for nothing has ever come from either.
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X-Google-Thread: 10f545,8f88b25abf2284c1 X-Google-Thread: 10b271,8f88b25abf2284c1 X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,8f88b25abf2284c1 X-Google-Thread: f74ae,8f88b25abf2284c1 X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gidfa4c1,gidf74ae,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe25.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Androcles" <Headmaster@Hogwarts.physics> Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,fr.sci.physique,sci.astro References: <662b606d-b156-4dd5-9068-63614e9a1277@l76g2000hse.googlegroups.com><fdc00007-c5e6-41fa-ba20-97a8017a76c4@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com><1cae1e19-d6d9-4b20-a733-9c67f601de49@b2g2000prf.googlegroups.com><6e19e5a1-987c-41f7-8839-18654550ea7d@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com><6c5e06a9-227f-47f4-a071-3f4352ec8f33@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com><91f68940-c99a-410a-937d-31fd39abd8cd@w1g2000prk.googlegroups.com><c5cc7246-b2e4-4f42-a7fb-044d61bbbd7b@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com><92dcad46-8d8a-4295-9f38-fd70ec0e4ec5@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com><fa401252-9e3a-4031-8f1f-a5914ada7171@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com><0b4c796c-245a-4318-8ca4-6dee8f94c1c0@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com><d14bfe5d-8ab8-4253-aa74-0213020e7609@w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com><196412f9-6a73-4a5f-b1fb-b16e65904337@o2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com><f0f41a8c-75ff-45e3-8633-4ec7cc23847b@l42g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <878wr2622t.fsf@teufel.hartford-hwp.com> Subject: Re: POSTSCIENTISM: THE FUNDAMENTAL FALSEHOODS Lines: 41 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Message-ID: <Z5eYk.6700$bb1.2238@newsfe25.ams2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.34.70.125 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe25.ams2 1227976185 82.34.70.125 (Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:29:45 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:29:45 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:29:42 -0000