🚀 go-pugleaf

Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  997b53ed-e5a1-4589-97d9-cd33fad7c1c8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com
> On Sep 10, 2:55 am, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 9, 2:46 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 9, 6:40 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Sep 9, 9:07 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> On Sep 9, 2:27 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> sci.physics.relativity:
>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 9, 1:01 am, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:59:44 -0700 (PDT), PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sep 8, 7:56 pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>>> If anyone tries to measure the properties of a moving object or clock and finds
>>>>>>>>> them to be different from those measured at rest then the experimental method
>>>>>>>>> is obviously flawed.
>> 
>>>>>>>> In other words, if an experiment shows evidence of something that is
>>>>>>>> contrary to your expectations, then something is wrong with the
>>>>>>>> experiment. This coming from someone "born with a scientific mind".
>> 
>>>>>>> Even your own colleagues....the less ignorant ones....agree that nothing
>>>>>>> actually happens to a clock or rod as a result of a speed change.
>> 
>>>>>> Actually, what's agreed upon is that the physical property does in
>>>>>> fact change, but that no physical process occurs to the object to
>>>>>> change the property. You find it difficult to imagine how one can
>>>>>> happen without the other.
>> 
>>>>> But, Clever Draper, that is a very specific zombie imagination
>>>>> acquired after years of singing ("Divine Einstein", "Yes we all
>>>>> believe in relativity, relativity, relativity" etc.) accompanied by
>>>>> energetic convulsions. How can you expect a person who has never taken
>>>>> part in all those worships to imagine "that the physical property does
>>>>> in fact change, but that no physical process occurs to the object to
>>>>> change the property"? Be condescending, Clever Draper!
>> 
>>>>> Pentcho Valev
>>>>> pva...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>>> Oh, come, come, Pentcho, you know better! Momentum, velocity, kinetic
>>>> energy, electric field, magnetic field -- all these are physical
>>>> properties that in fact change with change in reference frame, and
>>>> there is no physical process acting on the object to effect that
>>>> change. For most of those, Galileo and Newton knew that, and that was
>>>> 300 years prior to anyone even knowing who Einstein was, let alone
>>>> singing songs about him.
>> 
>>>> PD
>> 
>>> Clever Draper what are you talking about. The travelling clock returns
>>> PHYSICALLY different from the clock at rest (according to Divine
>>> Albert's Divine Idiocy),
>> 
>> No, it doesn't. When it returns and is compared with the clock at
>> rest, the rates of the clocks are identical.
> 
> Don't lie, Clever Draper. When the travelling clock is compared with
> the clock at rest, they are PHYSICALLY

Pentcho Valev does not understand the difference between
rates and values.

Updated list of differences ignored by Pentcho Valev:
    - rates and values,
    - a personal humorous musing and a common dogma,
    - children's books and inspired essays,
    - physicists and philosophers,
    - coordinate time and proper time,
    - invariance and constancy,
    - special relativity and general relativity,
    - teachers and hypnotists,
    - laymen and zombies,
    - a person being right and a theory being right,
    - students and imbeciles,
    - bad science and bad engineering,
    - bad engineering and bad cost management,
    - honing the foundations of a theory and fighting it,
    - physics and linguistics,
    - an article written in 1905 and a theory created in 1915,
    - understanding a book and turning its pages,
    - speed and relative (aka closing) speed,
    - doing algebra and randomly writing down symbols,
    - real life and a Usenet hobby group,
    - receiving a detailed reply and being ignored,
    - everyday concepts and scientific concepts in physics,
    - the three things that smell like fish,
    - inertial and non-inertial,
    - speed and velocity,
    - an article and a book,
    - relativity and disguised ether addiction,
    - algebra and analytic geometry,
    - kneeling down and bending over,
    - local and global,
    - a sycophant in English and in French,
    - a relation and an equation,
    - massive and massless particles,
    - a Mexican poncho and a Sears poncho,
    - implication and equivalence,
    - group velocity and phase velocity,
    - science and religion

Dirk Vdm