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Article #7121Re: Michelson and Morley experiment
From: Dirk Van de moortel
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:54
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:54
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Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message 55a3b813-7970-498a-9afa-e99283d5a5fc@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com > On Sep 9, 2:34 pm, "Dirk Van de moortel" > <dirkvandemoor...@nospAm.hotmail.com> wrote in sci.physics.relativity: >> Dr. Henri Wilson <HW@....> wrote in message >> p44cc41ujooen3u81ajqeq9pli4uhi5...@4ax.com >> >>> On Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:59:44 -0700 (PDT), PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> On Sep 8, 7:56 pm, HW@....(Dr. Henri Wilson) wrote: >> >>>>> If anyone tries to measure the properties of a moving object or clock and finds >>>>> them to be different from those measured at rest then the experimental method >>>>> is obviously flawed. >> >> When anyone measures the pitch of an approaching train's whistle, >> he finds a value different from what he finds when the trains is >> standing still. In Wilson world something is wrong with the experiment. >> When anyone measures the kinetic energy of a moving body, we >> he finds a positive value. When he measures the kinetic energy of >> the same body at rest, he finds zero. In Wilson world something >> is wrong with the experiment. >> >> >> >>>> In other words, if an experiment shows evidence of something that is >>>> contrary to your expectations, then something is wrong with the >>>> experiment. This coming from someone "born with a scientific mind". >> >> We have never been able to explain to Henry (or many others) >> that special relativity is a theory that, in the context of what he is >> alluding to here, merely describes What We Measure On Moving >> Objects And How Exactly These Measurements Quantitatively >> Differ From What We Measure When These Objects Are At Rest. > > Still you never forget to reopen the doors of the barn "pretty > quickly", do you Clever Moortel: > > http://www.math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html > "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors > at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a > switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in > the barn....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an > instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you > close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open > them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the > contracted pole shut up in your barn." > > Pentcho Valev > pvalev@yahoo.com http://www.aces.edu/counties/Tallapoosa/newspaper-articles/04-11-07.htm "Most first frosts occur from a strong cold spell that followed many days of warm weather. Our long growing season and mild fall temperatures allows many plants to continue to grow until true cold weather arrives. When this occurs, many of our tender plants, especially houseplants and bedding plants, are caught off guard by the changes in temperature and may get damaged or killed. Woody plants that are adapted for our area typically survive without problems." Dirk Vdm
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