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On Jul 11, 10:08 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...@Hogwarts.physics> wrote:
> "Danny Milano" <milanoda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 11, 8:50 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Baird and Androcles both say that it is possible the muons are
> > superluminal and we would have no way of knowing. This is an
> > unfortunate example of experimental ignorance.
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> > Muon counters are not in fact just arrival indicators. In fact, most
> > such experiments involve a tower of scintillator hodoscopes, with
> > layers displaced vertically by several feet, if not tens of feet.
> > Thus, when a muon passes through, it creates a signal in the topmost
> > layer, then in the next layer down, then in the next layer down, and
> > so on. Because the speed of light is roughly a ns per foot, we can
> > then simply watch the timing of the signals from the layers as the
> > muon passes through them, just like a double-gate speed trap on the
> > highway.
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> > [In desperation, Androcles has suggested that the hodoscopes are gated
> > so that ONLY signals that are around c are accepted. This is not the
> > case. He then suggested in even further desperation that the first
> > layer slows the muon from well above c to just under c, and the muon
> > then proceeds with the same speed through the other layers. However,
> > the energy deposited in the top layer is identical with the energy
> > deposited in subsequent layers, which would be a neat trick if the
> > layers did to the muon what he suggests. In final desperation,
> > Androcles says that mysterious things happen and that it's much easier
> > to believe in that weirdness than in the weirdness of time dilation.]
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> > Moreover, Baird again focuses on one seminal experiment and completely
> > fails to look at follow-up experiments that confirm the effect in a
> > completely different context. Physicists *create* beams of muons and
> > send them either down straight beamlines (the muon beamline at
> > Fermilab, for example) or around storage rings (the g-2 experiment,
> > for example). In this case, we know clearly both the creation point
> > and the decay point, and in fact we can directly time the ...
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> The geometric aspect of spacetime gives an intuitive explanation
> of time dilation, length contruction in a minkowski sense. This
> means that should newtonian interpretation were one day
> proven to be true. It's like nature works like epicycles where
> newtonian mechanics would have a unique personalized
> plan for reality yet it can be described easily by minkowski
> math. It's as if someone is playing trick on us by altering
> newtonian mechanics to make the 4D math tallies with reality.
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> This may seem odd. But when we design robots, we make
> it conform to human reality. This means that it is possible
> that newtonian mechanics were modified to conform to
> SR math. Meaning it may appear that time dilation, length
> contraction is real yet it is a purely a newtonian trick.
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> But what you seem to be saying above is that experimental
> setup can now be done to distinguish between pure time
> dilation, length contraction where time and length can
> indeed distort in different inertial frames versus it being
> just an equipment output in an ad hoc newtonian mechanics?
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> But you said earlier that there is no way to know whether time,
> length distort or it is just some misunderstood additional
> newtonian parameters which made it that way. What is
> really the case?
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> Danny
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> In desperation Phuckwit Duck invents data as all Einstein
> dingleberries do. He's lying through his dentures.
>  The math is really easy, in a fair race between a photon
> and a muon, same racetrack, same clock, the muon wins.

I'd be delighted if you could cite a reference of a measurement (not
one of your animated GIFs explaining how you think it works) wherein
photons and muons are created at a common starting point at the same
time, and muons arrive at a finishing point before the photons do.

> All that bullshit about a stack of hodometers is mixed well
> with road apples so that Phuckwit Duck can say they are
> different. It's still shit. After all, if a bullet hits a target it slows
> down, even a kid can figure that out. Let Phuckwit Duck try
> a photon through his muon detector. I plonked the lying
> bastard, he's a cretin.
>    http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dingleberry.htm
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> Why did Einstein say
> the speed of light from A to B is c-v,
> the speed of light from B to A is c+v,
> the "time" each way is the same?
> as shown in this inequality with the mistyped equal sign:
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>  http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rocket/eq22.A.GIF
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> The lying prat doesn't even know what a half is, that's how stupid
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> he can be.