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On Jun 24, 10:53 am, cjcountess <cjcount...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi GSS  this is Conrad Countess
>
> In addition to what I said earlier,  André Michaud  sees a smooth
> transition between energy and matter employing the equation

E=hf=mc^2.
> And he acknowledges that this equivalence coincides with the

electron
> or positron mass and energy.. Is that too just coincidence?  I

don't
> think so.
>
>  Hi Dale, the light in the box idea is interesting but if  a gram

of
> mass in a box were to suddenly get converted to energy there would

be
> a huge  atomic or nuclear explosion sending the box parts as
> projectiles with foot pounds of energy

Hi cjcountess
It would get absolutely vaporised big time.
I never bother to point out the extreme forces necessary to contain

light in that amount is huge.The earth is push on with something like

5 pounds of force per square mile if I remember right and it was

about 5 million horsepower too.Just guessing but the amount of energy

by weight in even a second is going to be much less than 1 gram.
But in gedankens i.e. these types of thought experiments we can get

away with ignoring any reduction to practice on actually doing the

experiment.
Still I supposed it could be done with something like a pictogram of

light in a huge reflective container if one had lightweight efficient

reflectors and still get some measurable difference before all the

light changes to heat.
Its to be pointed out here that its the tiny extra forces on the

sides of the box that ends up giving you the recreation of the

property of inertia and or weight no mater how small in relation to

the forces already in the box after all they normally only equalize

out.No mater what the forces are on the sides of the box you don't

get the box to move on its own if the forces on the opposite side are

equal but move the box and its a new game.


(foot pounds are a measurement
> of bullet striking power) far exceeding the original gram.. Does

this
> suggest that the energy, including light itself, actually has more
> mass when liberated than at rest? Just wanted to throw that out
there.

When light pushes it Doppler shifts i.e. gets
shifted towards the red a lower energy when the mirror travels away
but get blue shifted when a mirror travels
towards it.Thats how solar sails work but it requires a tiny amount of
the lights energy to be shifted towards the red.Of course its a bit
interesting to remember that if the solar sail were already traveling
at something approaching light speed then the reflected light energy
we get back will have much more of its energy shifted towards the red
so we really do get much less of our energy back but its so small when
the object is just starting to move that you would not think it was
giving up any of its energy at all.So one can imagine the extremes
needed to keep what 1 gram of light would equal inside of 1
centimeter container when its only a such a tiny change in the lights
energy on the sides of the cube that must be there for the weight of
its energy to make since.Be interesting if someone could actually come
up with a good argument otherwise and what that could mean.
Dale



> That might really turn the idea that light does not have mass on

its
> head.
>
> Conrad Countess