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Article #7181Re: Request for Review of a pre-print book titled, "Fundamental Nature of Matter and Fields"
From: paparios
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:41
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:41
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On 23 jun, 16:20, "Spaceman" <space...@yourclockmalfunctioned.duh> wrote: > lith...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote: > > Dale > > I know you probably wont listen but here goes anyhow. > > Try asking yourself what would happen if you had a space ship > > traveling near the speed of light and it also had a spinning wheel > > whose edges were to also be traveling near light speed.Would our space > > ship now be traveling with a wheel on board with its edges now > > traveling twice the speed of light to our prospective. > > Or wold it push the space ship backwards so as to avoid the edges of > > the wheel going at twice the speed of light. > > What? > Do you think FTL has been proven impossible so > we better not allow such? > You better check the proof, the fact is no proof has been > made at all about FTL being impossible. > > > Or will one side of the wheel contract and display a slower time so we > > don't have these contradictions. > > Point I am trying to make if that if you don't have rubber rulers and > > broken clocks you end up with other absurdities that are worse. > > At least the present absurdity's are somewhat tested and reasonably > > true there is just a lot of missing details. > > Dale > > What is absurd about 2 times the speed of light? > What is absurd about c+c=2c? > Is basic algebra absurd? > and Why do you call me Dale? > As I said, > the only reason they use rubber rulers is so nature and some > of thier own bullshit about time dilation does not violate > the precious house of cards they have built. > But of course, nature will blow it down sooner or later. > Simply because nature seems to think 1+1 does equal 2. > and if c can =1.. > c can be doubled no problem if a smart enough technology > comes forward to do so.. > :) > > -- > James M Driscoll Jr > Spaceman For one thing nature determines it! Read carefully the following from Lev Landau: "The interaction of material particles is described in ordinary mechanics by means of a potential energy of interaction, which appears as a function of the coordinates of the interacting particles. It is easy to see that this manner of describing interactions contains the assumption of instantaneous propagation of interactions. For the forces exerted on each of the particles by the other particles at a particular instant of time depend, according to this description, only on the positions of the particles at this one instant. A change in the position of any of the interacting particles influences the other particles immediately. However, experiment shows that instantaneous interactions do not exist in nature. Thus a mechanics based on the assumption of instantaneous propagation of interactions contains within itself a certain inaccuracy. In actuality, if any change takes place in one of the interacting bodies, it will influence the other bodies only after the lapse of a certain interval of time. It is only after this time interval that processes caused by the initial change begin to take place in the second body. Dividing the distance between the two bodies by this time interval, we obtain the velocity of propagation of the interaction. We note that this velocity should, strictly speaking, be called the maximum velocity of propagation of interaction. It determines only that interval of time after which a change occurring in one body begins to manifest itself in another. It is clear that the existence of a maximum velocity of propagation of interactions implies, at the same time, that motions of bodies with greater velocity than this are in general impossible in nature. For if such a motion could occur, then by means of it one could realize an interaction with a velocity exceeding the maximum possible velocity of propagation of interactions". If you accept causality as truth, then c as the maximum possible velocity of propagation of signals follows. If not then you believe in miracles. Miguel Rios
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