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Article #727Re: HOW BLATANTLY EINSTEINIANS CAN LIE
From: weesly
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 10:10
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On Mar 7, 7:48 am, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > An excerpt from COSMIC HORIZONS: ASTRONOMY AT THE CUTTING EDGE, edited > by Steven Soter and Neil deGrasse Tyson, a publication of the New > Press. © 2000 American Museum of Natural History. To order the book, > call 1-800-233-4830, or go tohttp://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/buybook/ > > http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/essaybooks/cosmic/cs_... > "Michell accepted Newton's theory that light consists of small > material particles. He reasoned that such particles, emerging from the > surface of a star, would have their speed reduced by the star's > gravitational pull, just like projectiles fired upward from the Earth. > (...) Michell got the right answer, although he was wrong about one > point. We now know, from Einstein's relativity theory of 1905, that > light moves through space at a constant speed, regardless of the local > strength of gravity." i agree, light, if massless, it just follows its path, through "curved space", if existent, and knows nothing about gravitation and such but it must know something about diffraction, because the space is felt with dust > > Needless to say, in 1905 Einstein did not say anything like "light > moves through space at a constant speed, regardless of the local > strength of gravity". Rather, from 1907 on, he claimed that, in a > gravitational field, the speed of light is VARIABLE, not constant. In > 1911 Einstein was explicitly using Newton's emission theory of light > in order to show how the speed of light varies with the gravitational > potential: > > ttp://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm > "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is not constant in > a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as > well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were > not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field > of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation > in: 'On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light,' > Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal > development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is > widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 > of the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity.' You will find in > section 3 of that paper, Einstein's derivation of the (variable) speed > of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, > c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c^2 ) > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the > speed of light c0 is measured." > > http://www.blazelabs.com/f-g-gcont.asp > "So, faced with this evidence most readers must be wondering why we > learn about the importance of the constancy of speed of light. Did > Einstein miss this? Sometimes I find out that what's written in our > textbooks is just a biased version taken from the original work, so > after searching within the original text of the theory of GR by > Einstein, I found this quote: "In the second place our result shows > that, according to the general theory of relativity, the law of the > constancy of the velocity of light in vacuo, which constitutes one of > the two fundamental assumptions in the special theory of relativity > and to which we have already frequently referred, cannot claim any > unlimited validity. A curvature of rays of light can only take place > when the velocity of propagation of light varies with position. Now we > might think that as a consequence of this, the special theory of > relativity and with it the whole theory of relativity would be laid in > the dust. But in reality this is not the case. We can only conclude > that the special theory of relativity cannot claim an unlimited domain > of validity ; its results hold only so long as we are able to > disregard the influences of gravitational fields on the phenomena > (e.g. of light)." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) - The General Theory > of Relativity: Chapter 22 - A Few Inferences from the General > Principle of Relativity-. Today we find that since the Special Theory > of Relativity unfortunately became part of the so called mainstream > science, it is considered a sacrilege to even suggest that the speed > of light be anything other than a constant. This is somewhat > surprising since even Einstein himself suggested in a paper "On the > Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der > Physik, 35, 1911, that the speed of light might vary with the > gravitational potential. Indeed, the variation of the speed of light > in a vacuum or space is explicitly shown in Einstein's calculation for > the angle at which light should bend upon the influence of gravity. > One can find his calculation in his paper. The result is c'=c(1+V/c^2) > where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the > measurement is taken. 1+V/c^2 is also known as the GRAVITATIONAL > REDSHIFT FACTOR." > > In 1915 Einstein managed to get rid of Newton's emission theory of > light by replacing the equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) with c'=c(1+2V/c^2), > which is tantamount to replacing 2+2=4 with 2+2=5: > > http://www.mathpages.com/rr/s6-01/6-01.htm > "In geometrical units we define c_0 = 1, so Einstein's 1911 formula > can be written simply as c=1+phi. However, this formula for the speed > of light (not to mention this whole approach to gravity) turned out to > be incorrect, as Einstein realized during the years leading up to 1915 > and the completion of the general theory. In fact, the general theory > of relativity doesn't give any equation for the speed of light at a > particular location, because the effect of gravity cannot be > represented by a simple scalar field of c values. Instead, the "speed > of light" at a each point depends on the direction of the light ray > through that point, as well as on the choice of coordinate systems, so > we can't generally talk about the value of c at a given point in a non- > vanishing gravitational field. However, if we consider just radial > light rays near a spherically symmetrical (and non- rotating) mass, > and if we agree to use a specific set of coordinates, namely those in > which the metric coefficients are independent of t, then we can read a > formula analogous to Einstein's 1911 formula directly from the > Schwarzschild metric. (...) In the Newtonian limit the classical > gravitational potential at a distance r from mass m is phi=-m/r, so if > we let c_r = dr/dt denote the radial speed of light in Schwarzschild > coordinates, we have c_r =1+2phi, which corresponds to Einstein's 1911 > equation, except that we have a factor of 2 instead of 1 on the > potential term." > > http://www.speed-light.info/speed_of_light_variable.htm > "Einstein wrote this paper in 1911 in German (download from:http://www.physik.uni-augsburg.de/annalen/history/einstein-papers/191... > ). It predated the full formal development of general relativity by > about four years. You can find an English translation of this paper in > the Dover book 'The Principle of Relativity' beginning on page 99; you > will find in section 3 of that paper Einstein's derivation of the > variable speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The > result is: c'=c0(1+phi/c^2) where phi is the gravitational potential > relative to the point where the speed of light co is measured......You > can find a more sophisticated derivation later by Einstein (1955) from > the full theory of general relativity in the weak field > approximation....For the 1955 results but not in coordinates see page > 93, eqn (6.28): c(r)=[1+2phi(r)/c^2]c. Namely the 1955 approximation > shows a variation in km/sec twice as much as first predicted in > 1911." > > http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ > George Orwell "1984": "In the end the Party would announce that two > and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable > that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their > position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the > very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their > philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was > terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, > but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two > and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the > past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist > only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable what then?" > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com
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