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Article #7375Re: Rest mass
From: rick_sobie
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:42
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:42
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On Jul 22, 12:30 am, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > On Jul 22, 12:11 am, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Jul 21, 11:34 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote: > > > > > You see if you take some condensate and spin it, it reacts with the > > > > quantum foam, and vortices form in it. > > > > So even in that superfluid state, it cannot escape the effects of > > > > mass.http://www.physics.gatech.edu/chandra/RecentResults/VortexLattice_Bra... > > > > > And if that can't, if a superfluid that has no friction, can't escape > > > > the foams will to stay where it is in spacetime, expanding along > > > > outwardly, exerting force outward in all directions against its > > > > neighbors, which makes it want to stay put, gives it mass, which is > > > > what resists your mass when you accelerate, then what can escape it? > > > > The foam of the condensate, is reacting with foam outside of that > > > > condensate, with friction, and that friction is transferred to the > > > > foam in the condensate, causing that foam to spin, making vortices in > > > > the condensate. > > > > > So the only possible thing would be the liquid between the foam > > > > bubbles whatever it is. And right now I don't think we can detect it. > > > > Ok so there is the slight possibility, that the quantum foam of the > > > condensate is not acting with friction against foam outside the > > > condensate and transferring that friction to the foam in the > > > condensate but instead, just the fact that the foam in the condensate > > > has mass, like gyroscopic mass from its expanding, is resisting > > > spinning with the entire condensate. > > > > But what on earth is it reacting with then, to give it that stay > > > putness? > > > When there would be nothing staying put in that scenario. > > > It has to be relative to some stationary something, which is causing > > > it to spin. > > > You could say well its spooky action at a distance, but at this level > > > there is no spooky action at a distance. > > > Could it be waves then and not direct friction between quantum foam > > > bubbles? > > > What is weird is that it is in a lattice. > > > That condensate is a gazillion times bigger than one quantum foam > > > bubble. The foam is not spaced apart like that. > > > So it has to be currents and pressure in the condensate spacing out > > > the vortices into a loose lattice configuration. > > > Maybe if you spun it at ultra high speed, it would form a gazillion > > > vortices. > > > Yes and then blow up. > > >http://tinyurl.com/2gap23 > > Of course. The quantum foam bubbles are expanding and sending out mini > > spherical waves of dark energy, just like the nucleus does in an atom. > > That results in the different patterns. > > > And from that link just above... > > "The angular momentum of a single vortex has been measured, and found > > to be of the order of Planck's constant per particle" > > And Plank Length, is the size of one quantum foam bubble. So that > > tells us where it is coming from. > > And yes if you want you can believe that they are granular pieces of > rock of plank length emitting waves as if they were radioactive but > your theory is going to break down as soon as you include the fact > that the universe expanding and your little rocks are going to bunch > up or get so far apart that matter can't form. And how does the > inflationary period of the universe create your little bits of sand > down there? > So the expanding foam, is the only logical answer. And the foam was > created during the inflationary period of the universe, and the big > suck makes it expand. It stays at plank length because it is all > relative, expanding in unison. > Equal pressure everywhere at that level between the bubbles. > At least in terms of its outward direction. > In terms of how it expands into the void. As the void must also be > between the bubbles. > uncompressible fluid except that you can compress it, with black hole > energies, and even flatten some of those bubbles, creating a collapse > of the foam in that region, and then the gigantic explosion ensues. > So is it possible then, that the void is filled with that liquid, and > the bubbles are merely expanding in that liquid? > So that the void, a perfect vacuum, is not in fact an empty space, > but is a liquid. > Then maybe outside of that, would be the real void. > It must be because you cannot say that the void has space, it does not > have even a micron of thickness on the outside of the universe because > it is empty completely. A thin film of nothing. A self contained > universe. A puddle. No I guess you can't compress the fluid. You can only compress the bubbles, squish them or flatten them.
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