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Re: Rest mass

#7375
From: rick_sobie
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:42
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On Jul 22, 12:30 am, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 22, 12:11 am, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > On Jul 21, 11:34 pm, rick_so...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> > > > You see if you take some condensate and spin it, it reacts with the
> > > > quantum foam, and vortices form in it.
> > > > So even in that superfluid state, it cannot escape the effects of
> > > > mass.http://www.physics.gatech.edu/chandra/RecentResults/VortexLattice_Bra...
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> > > > And if that can't, if a superfluid that has no friction, can't escape
> > > > the foams will to stay where it is in spacetime, expanding along
> > > > outwardly, exerting force outward in all directions against its
> > > > neighbors, which makes it want to stay put, gives it mass, which is
> > > > what resists your mass when you accelerate, then what can escape it?
> > > > The foam of the condensate, is reacting with foam outside of that
> > > > condensate, with friction, and that friction is transferred to the
> > > > foam in the condensate, causing that foam to spin, making vortices in
> > > > the condensate.
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> > > > So the only possible thing would be the liquid between the foam
> > > > bubbles whatever it is. And right now I don't think we can detect it.
>
> > > Ok so there is the slight possibility, that the quantum foam of the
> > > condensate is not acting with friction against foam outside the
> > > condensate and transferring that friction to the foam in the
> > > condensate but instead, just the fact that the foam in the condensate
> > > has mass, like gyroscopic mass from its expanding, is resisting
> > > spinning with the entire condensate.
>
> > > But what on earth is it reacting with then, to give it that stay
> > > putness?
> > > When there would be nothing staying put in that scenario.
> > > It has to be relative to some stationary something, which is causing
> > > it to spin.
> > > You could say well its spooky action at a distance, but at this level
> > > there is no spooky action at a distance.
> > > Could it be waves then and not direct friction between quantum foam
> > > bubbles?
> > > What is weird is that it is in a lattice.
> > > That condensate is a gazillion times bigger than one quantum foam
> > > bubble. The foam is not spaced apart like that.
> > > So it has to be currents and pressure in the condensate spacing out
> > > the vortices into a loose lattice configuration.
> > > Maybe if you spun it at ultra high speed, it would form a gazillion
> > > vortices.
> > > Yes and then blow up.
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2gap23
> > Of course. The quantum foam bubbles are expanding and sending out mini
> > spherical waves of dark energy, just like the nucleus does in an atom.
> > That results in the different patterns.
>
> > And from that link just above...
> > "The angular momentum of a single vortex has been measured, and found
> > to be of the order of Planck's constant per particle"
> > And Plank Length, is the size of one quantum foam bubble. So that
> > tells us where it is coming from.
>
> And yes if you want you can believe that they are granular pieces of
> rock of plank length emitting waves as if they were radioactive but
> your theory is going to break down as soon as you include the fact
> that the universe expanding and your little rocks are going to bunch
> up or get so far apart that matter can't form. And how does the
> inflationary period of the universe create your little bits of sand
> down there?
> So the expanding foam, is the only logical answer. And the foam was
> created during the inflationary period of the universe, and the big
> suck makes it expand. It stays at plank length because it is all
> relative, expanding in unison.
> Equal pressure everywhere at that level between the bubbles.
> At least in terms of its outward direction.
> In terms of how it expands into the void. As the void must also be
> between the bubbles.
> uncompressible fluid except that you can compress it, with black hole
> energies, and even flatten some of those bubbles, creating a collapse
> of the foam in that region, and then the gigantic explosion ensues.
> So is it possible then, that the void is filled with that liquid, and
> the bubbles are merely expanding in that liquid?
> So that the void,  a perfect vacuum, is not in fact an empty space,
> but is a liquid.
> Then maybe outside of that, would be the real void.
> It must be because you cannot say that the void has space, it does not
> have even a micron of thickness on the outside of the universe because
> it is empty completely. A thin film of nothing. A self contained
> universe. A puddle.

No I guess you can't compress the fluid. You can only compress the
bubbles, squish them or flatten them.
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