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Article #7501Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
From: Paul Cardinale
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:43
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:43
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Sorcerer wrote: > "Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com... > | On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> > | wrote: > | > | >Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote: > | >> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a > | >> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest). > | >> > | >> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks > | >> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers. > | > > | >That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. The > | >approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims. > | > > | > > | >> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock > | >> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock. > | >> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ. > | > > | >The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself. > | > > | >For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only > | >APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, made. > | > > | >At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated as > | >inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a > | >line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight > | >lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for > | >inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a > | >circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its > | >circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or > | >uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not inertial > | >observers, not even approximately. > | > | So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight lines do > | they Snipper? > | > | ....You become more of a comedian with every post... > > He's like Dork Van de psychopath, fired from his job and > makes it up as he goes along. > > "The basic equations of SR are only APPROXIMATELY valid" Liar. You snipped out the first part of the sentence, leaving a fragment that is misleading. You are dishonest, jaw-droppingly stupid, willfully ignorance, incapable of learning, extemely vulgar, and ugly; in short, you are putrid vile scum.
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