🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #7501

Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity

#7501
From: Paul Cardinale
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:43
51 lines
4060 bytes
Sorcerer wrote:
> "Henri Wilson" <HW@....> wrote in message news:rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com...
> | On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:01:13 GMT, Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
> | wrote:
> |
> | >Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote:
> | >> Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a
> | >> constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest).
> | >>
> | >> Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks
> | >> propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers.
> | >
> | >That is the key point -- these observers are NOT moving inertially. The
> | >approximation is important (see below), and negates your claims.
> | >
> | >
> | >> This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock
> | >> CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock.
> | >> Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ.
> | >
> | >The error is in your gedanken, not in SR itself.
> | >
> | >For approximately inertial motion, the basic equations of SR are only
> | >APPROXIMATELY valid. You ignored the approximation you, yourself, made.
> | >
> | >At a deeper level, however, such orbiting observers cannot be treated as
> | >inertial observers, because a circle is different topologically from a
> | >line. In SR's Minkowski spacetime, inertial observers move in straight
> | >lines, not in circles, and the basic equations of SR are valid for
> | >inertial observers and coordinates. Yes, for a very large radius a
> | >circle is approximately a straight line for a small portion of its
> | >circumference, but if one uses the fact it is a circle in any way, or
> | >uses a large fraction of the circumference, then these are not inertial
> | >observers, not even approximately.
> |
> | So the GPS clocks that you claim prove SR correct move in straight lines do
> | they Snipper?
> |
> | ....You become more of a comedian with every post...
>
> He's like Dork Van de psychopath, fired from his job and
> makes it up as he goes along.
>
> "The basic equations of SR are only APPROXIMATELY valid"

Liar.  You snipped out the first part of the sentence, leaving a
fragment that is misleading.
You are dishonest, jaw-droppingly stupid, willfully ignorance,
incapable of learning, extemely vulgar, and ugly; in short, you are
putrid vile scum.
Technical Details
Message-ID: <1167795780.694882.237800@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <ene0td$grh$1@atlas.ip-plus.net> <dSymh.10793$yC5.9487@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> <rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com> <XdBmh.242371$bz5.192605@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10f545,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 104cdc,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 103d8c,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gid104cdc,gid103d8c,gidfa4c1,public
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: "Paul Cardinale" <pcardinale@volcanomail.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.philosophy.tech,de.sci.physik,fr.sci.physique
Subject: Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
Date: 2 Jan 2007 19:43:00 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 52
Message-ID: <1167795780.694882.237800@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
References: <ene0td$grh$1@atlas.ip-plus.net>
   <dSymh.10793$yC5.9487@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>
   <rvflp2ltoun34hcs762k0k596o7b5bu77h@4ax.com>
   <XdBmh.242371$bz5.192605@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.85.181.124
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167795785 18000 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2007 03:43:05 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 03:43:05 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <XdBmh.242371$bz5.192605@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (000000000; 0; 000 000 00 0; 00) 000000000000000 0000000 0000 000000 00000000000000,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.85.181.124;
   posting-account=_a2YYQwAAAAo7TMM7guTL4CpTVlPYvXg