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Article #753Re: THE MYSTERY OF THE CARNOT THEOREM
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:50
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:50
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What is the probability that Mr. X looks like Mr. Y? Clearly the prior (Mr. X and Mr. Y are identified but there is no additional information concerning them) probability is virtually zero. This means that for the argument: Premise: Mr. X and Mr. Y are identical twins. Conclusion: Mr. X looks like Mr. Y. the combination "false premise, true conclusion" is virtually impossible. Consider an oversimplified version of the Carnot theorem: Premise: Heat is an indestructible substance (cannot be converted into work in the heat engine). Conclusion (prototype of the second law of thermodynamics): The heat engine X working between the temperatures T1 and T2 is just as efficient as the heat engine Y working between the same temperatures. The premise turned out to be false in the end. Is the prior probability of the conclusion virtually zero? Is the combination "false premise, true conclusion" virtually impossible? If Carnot's conclusion (the prototype of the second law of thermodynamics) cannot be true, as the above analogy suggests, then Clausius 1850 argument abandoning Carnot's false premise and deducing the conclusion from another premise, true this time, must be invalid. Indeed, Clausius' auxiliary hypothesis given below in capitals: "THE ONLY CHANGE" and "WITHOUT ANY EXPENDITURE OF FORCE OR ANY OTHER CHANGE" - is false: http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/Clausius.html "Ueber die bewegende Kraft der Warme" 1850 Rudolf Clausius: "Carnot assumed, as has already been mentioned, that the equivalent of the work done by heat is found in the mere transfer of heat from a hotter to a colder body, while the quantity of heat remains undiminished. The latter part of this assumption--namely, that the quantity of heat remains undiminished--contradicts our former principle, and must therefore be rejected... (...) It is this maximum of work which must be compared with the heat transferred. When this is done it appears that there is in fact ground for asserting, with Carnot, that it depends only on the quantity of the heat transferred and on the temperatures t and tau of the two bodies A and B, but not on the nature of the substance by means of which the work is done. (...) If we now suppose that there are two substances of which the one can produce more work than the other by the transfer of a given amount of heat, or, what comes to the same thing, needs to transfer less heat from A to B to produce a given quantity of work, we may use these two substances alternately by producing work with one of them in the above process. At the end of the operations both bodies are in their original condition; further, the work produced will have exactly counterbalanced the work done, and therefore, by our former principle, the quantity of heat can have neither increased nor diminished. THE ONLY CHANGE will occur in the distribution of the heat, since more heat will be transferred from B to A than from A to B, and so on the whole heat will be transferred from B to A. By repeating these two processes alternately it would be possible, WITHOUT ANY EXPENDITURE OF FORCE OR ANY OTHER CHANGE, to transfer as much heat as we please from a cold to a hot body, and this is not in accord with the other relations of heat, since it always shows a tendency to equalize temperature differences and therefore to pass from hotter to colder bodies." In fact, the two-substances process considered by Clausius presupposes the constant action of an OPERATOR; this operator constantly and unavoidably undergoes CHANGES, changes that are absent when heat spontaneously "shows a tendency to equalize temperature differences and therefore to pass from hotter to colder bodies" (Clausius' new premise). In othe words, the fact that, spontaneously, heat always flows from hot to cold (Clausius' new premise) by no means implies that the operator-driven two-substances process considered by Clausius is unable to transfer heat from cold to hot. Clausius' argument is simply invalid. Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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