🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics.relativity
Article #7532

Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity

#7532
From: Hero.van.Jindelt
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:27
38 lines
2870 bytes
Sam Wormley schrieb:

> Wolfgang G. Gasser wrote:
> > Two distant observers with each a (transversal) LIGHT CLOCK orbit at a
> > constant distance around their common center (assumed at rest).
> >
> > Special relativity postulates that the light beams in both light clocks
> > propagate at c relative to both (almost inertially moving) observers.
> >
> > This requires that for each observer the clock rate of the opposite clock
> > CAN be lower than the clock rate of his own clock.
> >
> > Because of symmetry and unchanging distance, clock rate CANNOT differ.
> >
> > The impossibility of mutual time dilation in this situation entails the
> > impossibility of a constant speed of light as a general law.
> >
> >
>
>    IF you change the problem to two distant observers with constant
>    velocity with respect to each other, special relativity applies
>    and each will measure time dilation of the other's clock with
>    respect to his own.
>
>    Symmetry -- each other's time dilation measurements will have
>    equal magnitude.
>
>    Your concept of "mutual time dilation" makes no sense. You are
>    either with one observer or the other, not both.

Or You are at rest in the middle, their common center, not rotating as
observed with a gyro.
Or You move with the wavefront of the light of one the two, when he
switches his light on.
Or, or, or....

With friendly greetings
Hero
Technical Details
Message-ID: <1167762432.823447.85990@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <ene0td$grh$1@atlas.ip-plus.net> <k6wmh.336408$1i1.101141@attbi_s72>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10f545,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 104cdc,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: 103d8c,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Thread: fa4c1,dd7f3cb108988984
X-Google-Attributes: gid10f545,gid10b271,gid104cdc,gid103d8c,gidfa4c1,public
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!postnews.google.com!n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: Hero.van.Jindelt@gmx.de
Newsgroups: sci.physics.relativity,sci.physics,sci.philosophy.tech,de.sci.physik,fr.sci.physique
Subject: Re: The Simplest Refutation of Special Relativity
Date: 2 Jan 2007 10:27:12 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <1167762432.823447.85990@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
References: <ene0td$grh$1@atlas.ip-plus.net>
   <k6wmh.336408$1i1.101141@attbi_s72>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.129.178.71
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167762437 8093 127.0.0.1 (2 Jan 2007 18:27:17 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:27:17 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20061206 Firefox/1.5.0.9,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=83.129.178.71;
   posting-account=BjC-YAwAAADQ91Zm3XkS3aGs3XlaqZ4X