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Article #7556Re: Absorption lines are unaffected by Doppler shift.
From: Androcles
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:49
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:49
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"Mike Williams" <nospam@econym.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:qCfJvGARqVUDFwDT@econym.demon.co.uk... | Wasn't it Androcles who wrote: Yes it was. | > | >Assistant Professor "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@hia.no> of : | >Agder University College (HiA) | >Serviceboks 422, N-4604 Kristiansand, NORWAY Tel (+47) 38 14 10 00 Fax | >(+47) 38 14 10 01 | >has executed the biggest fumble ever seen in the history of | >sci.physics.relativity | >in message | > news:dir555$965$1@dolly.uninett.no... | > | >"The spectral class [of stars] is determined by the relative positions | >and intensities | > of the absorption lines, and these are unaffected by a Doppler shift." | | I can't see anything wrong with that. You can't, huh... not too bright, are you? http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/astro101/java/binary/binary.htm What would you like, the pretty colours to move instead? | | For distant very stars that have spectra strongly affected by red shift, | you can't classify them by how red or blue they are, because the colour | has been shifted by an unknown amount. | | What you have to do is look for the patterns formed by the absorption | lines. The lines may be shifted down the spectrum, but the positions of | the lines relative to each other doesn't change, and allows you to | recognise the patterns and identify which line is caused by which | element. | | What you could then do is to compare the positions of those lines to a | reference spectrum, calculate the red shift, What shift? There isn't any shift according to Andersen (or YOU) since you find nothing wrong with his statement. and work out what colour | the star actually would be if there were no red shift. But that's not | what they actually do in practice, once they've worked out which line | corresponds to which element, they compare the relative intensities of | those lines. | | The strongest lines in O type stars correspond to ionized helium. For B | type stars its neutral helium. A type stars have neutral hydrogen as the | strongest line. F: Calcium II in a singly ionized state. G: neutral | Calcium II and other neutral metals. K: Calcium and Iron and some faint | molecular lines. M: lines corresponding to molecules like Titanium | Oxide. | | -- | Mike Williams | Gentleman of Leisure. Wrong... IDIOT of Leisure. Androcles.
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