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In article <022dacf6.2507227c@usw-ex0110-075.remarq.com>,
  John <jo10bi12NOjoSPAM@aol.com.invalid> wrote:
> Sdrodrian,
>      Any cursory examination of the universe around us
> would lead one to the obvious conclusion that it is indeed
> a universe of cause and effect.  Note that this
> observation, and resulting conclusion ( as are all
> observations and conclusions ), is restricted to sentient
> beings who, as a result of being sentient, are able to
> produce concepts outside the bounds of the physical
> universe.

Yes. almost without exception only thinking creatures
have thoughts. (However, I could cite a couple of...)

> In a "thought experiment" one could half the
> distance between yourself and a wall again and again and
> never reach the wall.

This can also be done in reality by constructing an exercise
tram (treadmill) whose "rolling carpet" would be lengthened
the faster one walked on it--so that no matter how much faster
one raced "towards the wall" one could never get there sooner
than when one was walking on it more slowly.

> Reality will not allow for this as
> the real world is absent of any infinities both large and
> small.

An infinity need not prove a true infinity to qualify as
an infinity in the real world... I tried to eat a finite cake
one time, and about half way through it the remaining portion
because absolutely infinite for all practical intents & purposes
--and then I couldn't have finished the bloody thing if I'd
tried to continue eating it for the rest of my life!

> In point of fact if time and / or distance were not
> restricted - nothing would ever happen.

You're obviously one of those philosophers who thinks
(can one find a philosopher who refrains from thinking?) that
everything is nothing, and only something is anything.
(With which I agree, by the way--O my God!)

> Thought alone is
> able to escape restrictions imposed by a decidedly finite
> universe.


When love with unconfined wings
  Hovers within my gates;
And my divine ALTHEA brings
  To whisper at the grates;
When I lye tangled in her haire
  And fetterd to her eye,
The birds, that wanton in the aire,
  Know no such liberty.

When flowing cups run swiftly round
  With no allaying THAMES,
Our carelesse heads with roses bound,
  Our hearts with loyal flames;
When thirsty griefe in wine we steepe,
  When healths and draughts go free,
Fishes, that tipple in the deepe,
  Know no such libertie.

When (like committed linnets I
  With shriller throat shall sing
The sweetnes, mercy, majesty,
  And glories of my King.
When I shall voyce aloud, how good
  He is, how great should be,
Inlarged winds, that curle the flood,
  Know no such liberty.

Stone walls doe not a prison make,
  Nor iron bars a cage;
Mindes innocent and quiet take
  That for an hermitage;
If I have freedome in my love,
  And in my soule am free,
Angels alone that sore above
  Enjoy such liberty.

                   --Dickie Lovelace

> Imposing the concept of infinity on the physical
> universe is the real magic!

There are things that just simply never end (the
electric bill, to name just one).

> My thought processes would not
> lead me to believe that a boat by a lake was an accident of
> nature any more than a universe designed to contain
> sentient beings is an accident of nature.

Then you, sir, believe that you are a human being
responsible for ascertaining reality--And I congratulate you!
So many have I met here who defer their responsibility
to some clever theory or other!

>      With the above in mind is it not reasonable to assume
> that gravity itself is not somehow restricted in its
> reach?

But it is: I see gravity being born, living for a time, and ultimately
dying along the journey of its life.

> Perhaps gravity does not "fit" in with intractions
> at the nuclear level?

The strong force & its strategies for living & dying
(the weak/electromagnetic forces) are merely extremely
localized manifestations of gravity: All "forms" of matter
are constructed ONLY from the ONLY fundamental thing
that exists, and that is gravity...

S D Rodrian
sdr@t-three.com
http://members.aol.com/bookspine

>
> Regards,
>
> John
>




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