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In article <01bf678e$5ae77b40$a1dda588@home.mis.net>,
  "Roger7812" <rvorti01@homer.louisville.eduuuuu> wrote:
> > What about a shape changing shape, or a form changing form?
> > And what if there only existed "shapes & forms" in the universe?
> > And, further, what if I told you that... this is exactly the case?
>
> I say to that:
> What is it that gives a thing its shape? In other words, what is
shape?

Think of a pile of rusted old cars lumped into the shape of a pyramid.
Now substitute the rusted old cars with solid air (your mind can do that
even if the pyramid is now invisible): That pyramid is the shape, all
else is irrelevant. In our imploding universe... the "shapes" matter
takes
are what is shrinking. not the "stuff" the "shapes" are shaped from:
In our universe the only fundamental "stuff" that exists is the force of
gravity... and as the "forms & shapes" made of gravity move towards
the center of the universe, gravity is expended in this motion (because
that's where the energy to move is ultimately stored... not in the
"forms
and shapes" of ordinary matter): This means that the "forms" of matter
will shrink and continue shrinking as long as there is enough gravity
to support their existence... but because gravity is being expended as
we move closer to the center of the universe, eventually we shall run
out of gravity and then the "forms and shapes" of matter will cease to
exist (because all gravity will have dissipated). With the result that
at the center of the universe there will gather no shapes or forms of
matter, and gravity will shift from a force of attraction to one of
repulsion
which will then make of our universe exactly the opposite of what it
now is: Our universe will become one of infinite (scalar) mass, and in
that "outward" force of repulsion will live all the energy which one day
will again make the universe turn inwards and manifest the gravity
which will recreate our universe of "forms & shapes" of matter (least,
I hope so, otherwise reality works by some crazy laws entirely outside
our abilities to parse them out logically).

> Shape is the arrangement of molecules or atoms of a thing.  For
example,
> water in liquid form takes the shape of its container.  Why?  There is
> MOTION in the molecules of H2O so that it can assume the shape of the
> containter.  Changing shape is the event when molecules of a thing
> rearrange their distributions in a thing.
>
> Basically, because motion exists, time exists.

Nobody would suggest that (if time = motion) time does not exist.
But our idea of time is strictly confined to an unwarranted assertion
that it is possible to synchronize one of the universe's motions to
one or more other of the universe's motion(s)... and that such  a
synchronization can outlive the need for it to be corrected by man;
and this is clearly something which shall have to be demonstrated
before it can be universally accepted without a great many objections.

> > Our thought is also that we are divine beings. And the thought
> > of religious fanatics is that God is on their side (and since God
can't
> > be wrong... they can't be wrong, of course--Makes perfect sense).
>
> I was writing about time, motion, and some ideas of how things the
physical
> universe got started.  I was not trying to tie this into any ethical
> justifications for human action.  Why should we believe the 2nd story
 of
> creation or even the first?  Who was there to see it?  Who wrote
Genesis 1
> and 2?  Nobody knows.  That's why people try to think about the world,
 the
> cosmos so that we can have some foundation of how to view the
universe.

The Biblical story of creation is de facto a theory (and I have often
spoken of the value of interpreting observed facts (how the world works)
over merely concocting theories based primarily on human guesses about
how the world "ought to" work).

> > How about begels? They've been around for aeons. (And I'm
> > not just talking begels in general, I mean some of them.)
>
> What are begels?

They're like bagels, except that they're free-existing
in the universe (not in bags, obviously). Say, are you
a mathematician, by any chance?

Thank you for asking! (I've been waiting for somebody
to ask that one for aeons.)

S D Rodrian
sdr@t-three.com
http://members.aol.com/mrealms/470.htm




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