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Re: Relativity and QM

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From: FrediFizzx
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 07:14
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| On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:31:20 -0800, "FrediFizzx"
<fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
| >"Tom Roberts" <tjroberts@lucent.com> wrote in message
| >news:bolknd$kbl@netnews.proxy.lucent.com...
| >| Dio wrote:
| >| > Why does relativity interest so many people? I think that QM is
| >more
| >| > interesting and that has upset our space time knowledge.
| >Nevertheless
| >| > relativity interests people.
| >|
| >| Fundamental theories of physics are IMHO intrinsically
interesting.
| >|
| >| Around here, I think there is another effect going on: SR is
clearly
| >| counterintuitive to people not experienced in applying it, and
yet
| >the
| >| underlying math is simple enough that all too many people delude
| >| themselves into thinking they understand where SR "went wrong".
To
| >those
| >| of us who are experienced in applying SR, it is quite clear that
| >100% of
| >| the people around here who claim SR is "flawed" really do not
| >understand
| >| SR, and it is their personal understanding that is flawed, not SR
| >itself.
| >|
| >| Of course NONE of them will admit this, because their personal
| >| lack of understanding includes the inability to understand where
| >| they themselves went wrong (:-().
| >|
| >|
| >| For Quantum Mechanics, on the other hand, the underlying
mathematics
| >| (operators on Hilbert space) is so complicated that nobody can
| >easily
| >| delude themselves that they understand it.
| >|
| >| I agree that QM is incredibly interesting, and requires a much
more
| >| fundamental change in our perception of the world than does SR,
or
| >even GR.
| >
| >I actually believe the key to understanding QM lies in the ideas of
| >SR.  Once you realize that there is really two things going on with
| >QM.  One is the idea that spacetime is being defined at the quantum
| >level.  Especially time.  If "things" are in some kind of local
| >oscillatory motion at c, then basicaly time is almost meaningless.
| >Quantum fuzziness sets in and we have to resort to probabilities to
| >make sense of it.  The other part is simply that energy comes in
| >chunks.
|
|  Energy doesn't come in chunks it is manifested in chunks due to
|  the nature of the interacting elements...

Yes, that is a better description.  I was being loose.

FrediFizzx
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