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Article #82Re: God=G_uv proves 40k B.C. Creation
From: bv_schornak
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:05
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 22:05
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This is _not_ a top posting - replies are at the bottom of the prime report! Here's what I found out about all this stuff: First we have the fertilized egg. This egg consists of an outer mem- brane, the cytosol and the nucleus. While the outer membrane separa- tes the cell from the environment, the cytosol is a solution of pro- teins, electrolytes and carbonhydrates - some of these "ingredients" are called organelles (e.g. mitochondria, Golgi apparatus, lysosomes or centrioles, etc.). Every nucleus is covered in a porous membrane, surrounded by the RNA (a messenger to the DNA). The inner of the nu- cleus consists of chromatin material and the chromosomes (containing DNA double helices). Each DNA molecule consists of complementary base pairs - adenine (A) and thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C). Only the both comple- mentary bases can connect to each other via hydrogen bonds - two for the A-T pair, three for the C-G pair. This far for the "assembly" of an egg (or any other cell). <http://www.unomaha.edu/~swick/2740mitosis.html> the process of cell "cleavage" (mitosis). How RNA works: <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/proteinsynthesis/transcript.html#overview> How DNA replication works: <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/proteinsynthesis/dnareprokary.html> <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/proteinsynthesis/dnarepli.html> About genes: <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/expression/control.html> Here you can see that the double helix - which looks quite symmetric from the outside - is anything else than symmetric seen from inside. Some other interesting websites about the topics: <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/cells/basiccell.html> George Hammond wrote: >bv_schornak wrote: > >>George Hammond wrote: >> >>>stew dean wrote: >>> >>>>>The point is the brain is a 3-axis mirror symmetirc construct >>>>>which begins at the 8 cell stage in embryology (1st 3 cleavages). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Let's review that again - the brain is roughly symmetrical along one >>>>axis, as is the rest of the body. You have DNA to thank for this. >>>> >>>> >>>[Hammond] >>>Really? I'm only claiming the Left-right symmetry of the >>>body comes from the first cleavage of the Egg (a fact proved >>>by Roux, Conklin and others). You just stated that it comes >>> >>> >>>from DNA.... what makes you think that? >> >> >>You've already forgotten that we get two complete (but half >>sized) organisms, if we separate both cells after the first >>cleavage? And four quarter sized organisms after the second >>cleavage? George, George... >> >>Where else than in the DNA should the information about the >>final organism sit? >> > >[Hammond] >Well, I happen to agree with you, but I don't see any way to prove it. >Early on I had the idea that the DNA DOUBLE HELIX was actually >a gometrical map of the human body. > Not for real. It holds the information, but the "genetic map" is not a map of the body. It provides instructions how to assemble a cell - nothing else. Which kind of cell is produced depends on the RNA (and the organelles). >In fact the longitudinal >lay out of the HOX Genes in a DNA strand ARE isomorphic to the >longitudinal axis of the animal body. > Are you _really_ shure about that? No one knows, which of the groups represent which part of an organism - DNA mapping is in its earliest stage. Even if our entire DNA is mapped meanwhile, we don't know too much about which gene is responsible for which cells. > So then I had the idea that >the RH half of the DNA helix caused the RH side of the body, and >LH half of the helix caused the LH side of the body. But I've never >seen any evidence for that. Still, I suspect there is a connection! > There is none. The DNA cannot work if it is "one half", it needs the complementary part to work properly. And if the both halves are com- pleted, they are identical copies of each other. >Maybe in very primitive animals it was... but just like "totipotency" >in Eggs, the thing finally developed so either half of the DNA >string can build a cell.... > Yes, they do. But not as a "half DNA" - the mechanism of replication includes splitting up _and_ copying the missing half (by attaching a matching base to form the new base pair - C-G or A-T). >fact of the matter is I don't know that much >about genetics.... but I'll tell you what... if you ever nail down >this principle that the "Double Helix" is a "homunculous of the body" >be sure to put in for your Nobel Prize. > This isn't a visual "assembly instruction". The RAM in your computer represents the structure of the internal organisation of its "cells" much better than the DNA represents the structure of the final orga- nism. DNA has more of a complex database, where data might be stored anywhere in the available storage "room". > Frankly I think the guy who suggested this is actually on to something, >because I've suspected it for years.... problem I think is, that it is >buried >way back in Evolution somewhere with very primitive cells and animals >when such a thing actually DID exist... in fact there are probably still >signs of it in the modern animal. Most likely, the "cleavage of the double >helix" has something to do with the "cleavage of the egg".... what >do they call it..... "mitosis"? > Yep - mitosis is the process from triggering the chromosomes to copy themselves until the final cell division. > The way I understand mitosis is that the DNA "chromosome" actually >doubles into "two double helices" and then separates so one double >helix goes to each daughter cell during cleavage. I'll bet "originally" >the double helix itself separated and one helix each went to each daughter >cell, >and then inside the daughter cells they doubled again. This probably proved >too risky, so it finally developed a method of doubling first, and then >separating into the doughter cells..... or something like that. > <http://staff.jccc.net/pdecell/proteinsynthesis/dnarepli.html> shows three possible ways to replicate a double helix - conservative, dis- persive and semi-conservative. In general, the semi-conservative way is used in real cells. > The other thing to investigate is whether it is only ONE side of the >double >helix which is used to produce cells, or whether BOTH SIDES are actually >read by RNA? I don't in fact know the answer to this basic question. >I posted this to bionet.biphysics, maybe someone there can tell us >something? > RNA is a messenger between the outside of the nucleus and the DNA in the nucleus (which resides in the chromosomes). These are two brief description how DNA parts are copied to RNA: <http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/VL/GG/protein_synthesis.html> <http://www.accessexcellence.org/RC/VL/GG/rna_synth.html> I think it is sufficient for the moment. To get deeper into this, it would take a lot of time. My "special interests" are programming and electronics, not biology. Would be interesting, but I don't have the time to learn all this stuff... Greetings from Augsburg Bernhard Schornak
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