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Article #829Re: CATASTROPHE IN PHYSICS
From: G. L. Bradford
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:11
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 12:11
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:2a3b82b1-71f8-4612-b943-86b63036ea9a@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... Catastrophe in physics: the following two texts coexist and are treated with the same indifference by the postscientific community: http://www.newsweek.com/id/204892 "You might think there are no new revelations to be made about him, but for Einstein groupies the current volume addresses at least one key question: what did Einstein know about an 1887 experiment that discovered that the speed of light is invariant, regardless of the observer's speed or direction of motion๏ฟฝan idea that forms the core of special relativity and that Einstein did not mention when he laid out the theory of special relativity in a 1905 paper? Called the Michelson- Morley experiment, it disproved the existence of the ether, a substance once thought to carry light waves and form an absolute reference frame for space. In their namesake experiment, Albert Michelson (a physicist who won the Nobel Prize in 1907) and Edward Morley (a chemist) showed that the speed of light is always the same (now known to be 186,282 miles per second) relative to stationary observers as well as moving ones. Nothing but light has this property: if you are approaching a car that's moving 30 miles per hour, and you're moving 30mph as well, the approaching car appears to be coming at you at 60 mph. Not so with light. If you are traveling at the speed of light, designated c, toward a light beam moving directly toward you, it appears to be approaching at c, not 2c." http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00001743/02/Norton.pdf John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE." Pentcho Valev ============================ No traveler travels, or observes itself to travel, at the speed of light. Not even at 10%, or even at 1%, the speed of light. The speeding traveler's observed relativity to the speed of light (whatever the percentage) is strictly independent observer dependent. That speeding traveler will always observe and measure the speed of light locally in its own frame to be c. It will have (it will be in) a coordinate space-time universe, one somewhat -- to fully -- offset from the observer's. If the traveler approaches the observer at a relative velocity anything like c, the observer will observe that traveler to be doing something like .5c, not c. The observer will [observationally] position the traveler far closer than the actual traveler will be to the observer, thus observing the traveler to be coming on at a velocity far less than the actual velocity (a fraction of the actual velocity). Can you understand why? Light will leave the traveler at speed c -- as light would be measured on site by the traveler, and arrive to the observer at speed c -- as light would be measured on site by the observer. This positions the [observed] traveler observably forward in space, though not fast forward in time, of the actual traveler's position....thus the relative velocity to be observed for the oncoming [virtual] traveler thus positioned by the messenger forward in space of the actual traveler (doing something like an actual relative velocity of c) at something like .5c. And if the traveler were doing something like an actual relative velocity (relative to the observer) of 2c, it would still not be observed by the observer to be c or greater. The observed placement of the oncoming [virtual] traveler would be even closer in space (though not at all closer in time than the local photo-time of the propagation of the light) to the observer for an observed velocity still below c. This scenario, if followed to its logical conclusion, means that all arrivals too (that is if there is an occurrance of an arrival) will also always be at a relative velocity somewhere below c....no matter what the actual relative velocity of travel once was. There is still the matter of the so-called "speeding" (actually a constantly accelerating and/or decelerating) traveler always being involved in physical contractions and/or expansions of the surrounding nearer frames of universe. In going away, the observed [virtual] traveler will always fall behind in space and timeof the unobserved, and unobservable, real-time traveler. The speed of c is too slow to keep up with the real traveler stretching out in distance away from the observer....and away from itself as an observed [virtual] traveler. That observed [virtual] traveler, whether going away or oncoming, will always be observed to [spacially] exist somewhere between the unobserved, the unobservable, real-time traveler and the observer. Never (because of c) to be observed by the observer somewhere back behind the oncoming unobservable real-time traveler. And never (again because of c) to be observed by the observer forward to the front of the unobservable real-time traveler going away from the observer. In both cases the [apparent] positioning of the observed virtual traveler will always be toward the observer meaning an [apparently] slower relative velocity always being observed for the traveler than the traveler is in fact doing. Close in, this doesn't mean anything. The real-time traveler will be merged, or almost merged, with its observed virtual self. Farther out, it begins to mean something as the distance in the division between unobserved and observed will be expanded. GLB ===============================
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