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Article #847Re: MADNESS IN EINSTEINIANA
From: G. L. Bradford
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:48
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:48
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"Pentcho Valev" writes: > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/Reciprocity/index.html > John Norton: "Here is how we might try to get a contradiction out of > the relativistic effect of each observer judging the other to have > shrunk. Imagine a car that fits perfectly into a garage. The garage is > a small free standing shed that is just as long as the car. There is a > door at the right and a door at the left of the garage. The car fits > exactly--as long as it is at rest. Now image that we drive the car at > 86.6% speed of light through the garage from right to left. The doors > have been opened at the right and the left of the garage to allow > passage of the car. There is a garage attendant, who stands at rest > with respect to the garage. Can the garage attendant close both doors > so that, at least for a few brief moments, the car is fully enclosed > within the garage? According to the garage attendant, there is no > problem achieving this. At 86.6% the speed of light, the car has > shrunk to half of its length at rest. It fits in the garage handily. > The garage attendant can close both doors and trap the car inside. > (...) The car driver and the garage attendant disagree on whether the > car is ever fully enclosed in the garage simply because they disagree > on the time order of two events. (...) Therefore there is no observer > independent fact as to whether the car was ever fully enclosed in the > garage." > > Sillier Einsteinians do not see the absurdity (idiocy) and expose it > in all its ugliness. Luckily (for them) the postscientific world does > not give a sh.. about rationality in science: > ============================ In a 4-d space environment -- the garage, the car, and the observer, all existing in the same time -- the garage and the observer might easily fit in the trunk of the car with an awesome amount of space inside to spare when the car is doing the significantly greater [relative] velocity. On the other hand, all being in the same 4-d space environment, and again all existing in the same time, when the car is doing a significantly [slower] relative velocity than the supposed "at rest" garage and observer (thus doing a relative velocity in the universe significantly negative to the above supposed ABSOLUTE of zero velocity (for the garage and observer)), then the car might easily fit inside the garage with the awesome amount of space inside to spare. Whichever is doing the significantly greater relative velocity is probably occupying -- all at once (all at one time) -- an awesomely greater dimension of space (attaining a different plane). GLB ===========================
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