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Article #851Re: A Conservative Force Law from Nothing (A Bit of Fun)
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:36
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:36
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On Jan 4, 6:50 pm, Tom Roberts <tjrob...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > Honest Roberts, a perpetual motion machine that generates an unlimited > > amount of energy out of nothing is a direct corollary of Einstein's > > 1905 false light postulate. > > Dishonest Valev, this is quite wrong. As has been explained to you many times in > many ways. You need to learn what these theories ACTUALLY imply, and not just > make unfounded GUESSES. > > Tom Roberts Honest Roberts, no GUESSES at all, let alone unfounded, on my part in this case. According to your superior brothers Einsteinians, Divine Albert's Divine Special Relativity ACTUALLY implies that "the rod will be trapped in a compressed state inside the barn", and since you are extremely honest, you should say something about the (ENORMOUS?) force the compressed rod exerts on the doors of the barn (can in principle this force be harnessed to produce work for Einsteiniana?): http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be trapped in a compressed state inside the barn." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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