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"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW@..> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:52:46 -0600, Tom Roberts
> <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Pentcho Valev wrote:
>>> On Dec 18, 3:27 am, Tom Roberts <tjroberts...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
>>> sci.physics.relativity:
>>>> In our best model of light, QED, the photon is NOT a particle. Neither
>>>> is it a
>>>> wave.
>>>>         There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
>>>>         Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. -- Shakespeare
>>>> There is no expectation that words and concepts from your everyday life
>>>> capture
>>>> the essence of phenomena far removed from you everyday experience.
>>>> Photons and
>>>> quantum phenomena are indeed far removed (you experience light, not
>>>> photons or
>>>> their quantum implications).
>>>
>>> Honest Roberts stop introducing red herrings!
>>
>>Dishonest Valev stop ignoring the context! I was responding to marcofuics,
>>and
>>this is not at all a red herring.
>>
>>
>>> You know that the
>>> problem crucial for contemporary physics is: Does the speed of light
>>> depend on the speed of the light source, as Newton's emission theory
>>> of light assumes, or is it independent of the speed of the light
>>> source, as Einstein's special relativity assumes.
>>
>>This is not a "crucial problem" at all, because it has been answered.
>>Definitively. As only EXPERIMENTS can do. There are numerous measurements
>>of the
>>speed of light emitted by moving sources, and they all obtain c within
>>their
>>resolutions. Modeling the speed of light emitted by a source moving with
>>speed v
>>as c+kv, experimental measurements require k<2*10^-9, SOLIDLY refuting
>>emission
>>theories such as Newton's:
>>http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html#moving-source_tests
>
> Such lab experiments have alternative explanations.
>
> The only real test of the emission theory is the way in which it can
> simulate
> variable star brightness curves based on c+v values from orbiting stars.
>
> Matches like these:
>
> http://www.scisite.info/USge.jpg
> http://www.scisite.info/UCep.jpg
> http://www.scisite.info/group1.jpg
> http://www.scisite.info/R_Cru.jpg
> http://www.scisite.info/falseeclipse.jpg
>
> .....and many others, are pretty convincing evidence that light behaves
> ballistically as it travels across the vacuum of space.
>
> I can only feel very sorry for all those deluded astronomers who are
> plainly
> wasting their time because of Einstein.
>

You'll never get past Humpty Roberts' bigotry. He's the worst fuckwit
of the lot.

Here's a two magnitude dilly for ya
  http://cosmicdiary.org/blogs/john_hearnshaw/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ogle-2006-blg-109.png