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Article #919Re: EINSTEINIANA ON THE CUSP OF A REVOLUTION AGAIN
From: Pentcho Valev
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:44
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:44
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There will be a new breathtaking revolution in Einsteinana on 17 décembre 2009: https://listes.services.cnrs.fr/wws/arc/athena/2009-11/msg00033.html Projet "Fondements de la physique en région parisienne" Semaine de philosophie de la physique, 14-18 décembre 2009 17 décembre 2009, 17h, ENS, salle des Actes Harvey Brown (Oxford University) "Why do rods contract in motion?" "Einstein's special theory of relativity predicts, correctly, that rigid bodies contract when in motion, (though Einstein was not the first to predict it). But what is the explanation of this phenomenon? Einstein increasingly disliked his original explanation, based on the relativity principle and the light postulate. What should take its place?" So how will Harvey Brown explain the miraculous length contraction without deducing it from Einstein's 1905 false light postulate? I am so curious! Will the new length contraction be reciprocal again or will Brown return to FitzGerald and Poincaré's concept according to which it is not reciprocal: Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativité, histoire d'une grande idée", Pour la Science, 1999, p. 129: "FitzGerald and Poincaré pensaient que le phénomène de contraction des longueurs résultait du mouvement des objets à travers l'éther. Bien qu'ils ne l'aient jamais dit ouvertement, ils supposaient certainement qu'un observateur immobile dans l'éther observerait une contraction des longueurs d'un objet en mouvement, tandis qu'un observateur en mouvement observerait au contraire une dilatation des longueurs des objets au repos dans l'éther." Note that if the speed of light does not depend on the speed of the light source, that is, if Einstein's 1905 light postulate is true, then a long train can be trapped inside a short tunnel, a 80m long pole can be trapped inside a 40m long barn and a bug can be both dead and alive. Harvey Brown will have to tell the world if all those idiocies remain consistent with the new length contraction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSRIyDfo_mY&mode=related&search http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/barn_pole.html "These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously by a switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be trapped in a compressed state inside the barn." http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/Relativ/bugrivet.html "The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just 0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the bug....The paradox is not resolved." Pentcho Valev pvalev@yahoo.com
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