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Article #999Re: WHY EINSTEIN STILL RULES
From: VERGON
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:15
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:15
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There are some interesting, intelligent -- and diverse -- viewponts discussed here. Any comments I would like to make would be too long to place here. SO-- I have a proposition: I have written two books that I will send free (they normally sell for $35.00)to any one requesting one or both of them. "On the Quantum as a Physical Entity" and "A Diagnosis of Special Relativity" Vertner Vergon vertvergon@gmail.com or exeterpublishing@yahoo.com On Nov 6, 9:55 pm, Pentcho Valev <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Cosmological observations should not be used as evidence for or > against fundamental theories (Einstein's relativity) for the simple > reason that they are contaminated with lots of explicit or implicit > auxiliary hypotheses, hypotheses that do not belong to the fundamental > theory. In the case discussed below the observation that high-energy > photons arrive later than low-energy ones is accompanied by the > following hypothesis: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18068-universes-quantum-speed-b... > "If space-time is grainy, higher-energy photons would move more slowly > than their lower-energy counterparts. That's because higher-energy > photons have smaller wavelengths, which makes them more sensitive to > tiny fluctuations in space-time." > > A much more reasonable hypothesis as to why high-energy photons travel > at a lower speed than low-energy ones could be advanced and yet, in my > view, Einstein's 1905 light postulate could be at most at stake but by > no means rejected if this particular observation were the only > evidence. > > There are two experiments, those of Michelson-Morley and Pound-Rebka, > where all auxiliary hypotheses have become part of the fundamental > theory itself. This has created some "classical" internal ambiguity > but, on the other hand, arbitrary shifts in interpretation caused by > new ad hoc auxiliary hypotheses are precluded. So the fate of > Einstein's theory can unequivocally be decided by answering the > following questions: > > The Michelson-Morley experiment is consistent with: > > (A) Einstein's 1905 light postulate (c'=c) > > (B) the antithesis of Einstein's 1905 light postulate, the equation > c'=c+v given by Newton's emission theory of light, where v is the > speed of the light source (relative to the observer) > > (C) both Einstein's 1905 light postulate (c'=c) and its antithesis, > the equation c'=c+v given by Newton's emission theory of light, where > v is the speed of the light source (relative to the observer) > > The Pound-Rebka experiment is consistent with: > > (D) the assumption that the speed of light is constant in a > gravitational field > > (E) the assumption that the speed of light varies with the > gravitational potential V in accordance with the equation c'=c(1+V/ > c^2) given by Newton's emission theory of light and advanced by > Einstein in 1911 > > (F) the assumption that the speed of light varies with the > gravitational potential V in accordance with the equation c'=c(1+2V/ > c^2) advanced by Einstein in 1915 > > Careful analysis would show that (B) and (E) form the only reasonable > couple. > > Pentcho Valev wrote: > > In Einsteiniana: > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327246.800-13-more-things-mag... > "In 2005, researchers at the MAGIC gamma-ray telescope on La Palma in > the Canary Islands were studying gamma-ray bursts emitted by the black > hole in the centre of the Markarian 501 galaxy, half a billion light > years away. The burst's high-energy gamma rays arrived at the > telescope 4 minutes later than the lower-energy rays. Both parts of > the spectrum should have been emitted at the same time. So is the time > lag due to the high-energy radiation travelling slower through space? > That wouldn't make sense: it would contravene one of the central > tenets of special relativity. According to Einstein, all > electromagnetic radiation always travels through vacuum at the cosmic > speed limit the speed of light. The energy of the radiation should be > absolutely irrelevant." > > http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/11/04/gamma-rays-einstein.html > "At stake was nothing less than a foundation of modern physics -- > Einstein's theory of relativity, which posits that all electromagnetic > radiation travels at the same speed, whether low-energy radio waves, > high-energy X-rays or gamma rays, or any wavelength in between. (...) > After a journey of more than 7 billion light-years, however, the gamma > ray photons arrived nine-tenths of a second apart on May 9, 2009 -- > not enough of a lag to account for the theorized quantum effects. > "Einstein, at this point, wins again," Michelson said." > > http://live.psu.edu/story/42610 > "Of the many gamma-ray photons detected by Fermi from the 2.1-second > burst, two had energies differing by a million times. Yet after > traveling some seven billion years, the pair of photons arrived just > nine-tenths of a second apart. "This measurement eliminates any > approach to a new theory of gravity that predicts a strong energy- > dependent change in the speed of light," Michelson said. The long- > distance experiment showed that "To one part in 100 million billion, > these two photons traveled at the same speed. "EINSTEIN STILL RULES," > Michelson said." > > In Big Brother's world: > > http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/ > George Orwell: "In the end the Party would announce that two and two > made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that > they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their > position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the > very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their > philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was > terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, > but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two > and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the > past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist > only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable what then?" > > Breathtaking news in Big Brother's world: In 2005, researchers at the > MAGIC gamma-ray telescope on La Palma in the Canary Islands added two > and two and did not get five, but then Stanford University's Peter > Michelson, the lead scientist on the Fermi Large Area Telescope, added > two and two again and did not get five either. "BIG BROTHER STILL > RULES,"Michelson said. > > Pentcho Valev > pva...@yahoo.com
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