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Article #1031unitarity red herring
From: Jack Sarfatti
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:48
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:48
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to Mike Gallis MRG3@PSUVM.PSU.EDU EXORCISING THE UNITARITY DEMON #1 your argument [ |v> - |h>]/sqrt2 -> 0 does not describe the behavior of my device. I showed that earlier. #2 The mistake you keep making is to take a fragmentary view. You keep saying that the matrix is not unitary. So what! I am using both Feynman rules from preparation to irreversible detections and this process is not unitary. If you want to describe the total behavior of my device then of course the matrix from start to finish is not unitary because of measurements! Feynman gives us two rules to do standard quantum mechanics. The first rule corresponds to your much beloved unitary evolution but you forget that unitary evolution is only true between preparation and detection. Feynman's unitary rule is: Unitary rule: Add amplitudes before squaring for indistinguishable histories. Feynman's non-unitary measurement rule is: Measurement rule: Square amplitudes before adding for distinguishable histories. Why do you, and others for that matter, have such tunnel vision and exclude the detection processes? #3 It is not good enough to present irrelevant formal arguments that the matrix is not unitary. It is not supposed to be unitary since I have a complete solution of the problem including the irreversible measurements at the four detectors. #4 I show that local probabilities at the photon detectors are conserved , so that I do not violate the unitary evolution between the preparation and the detections. #5 Enough of formal irrelevant arguments what are you specific formulae for the count rates (assume 100% ideal efficiency) of all the detectors in both experiments? Experiment 1 is pair case with both receiver and transmitter. Experiment 2 is single photon case with only transmitter. I have given a complete solution with definite quantitative testable formulae. How do your formulae differ from mine. Be specific and do not beat around the bush. In summary: I. The overall matrix from input to output including irreversible preparations and detections is not supposed to be a unitary matrix. II when you change experiment from photon pair to single unconnected photon you change the apparatus and you get a new overall nonunitary matrix. III When you do it right according to Feynman's rules rather than a fragmentary garbled "unitary matrix" way neglecting the measurements that actually happen then the sum of the local probabilities add to 1 in a "unitary way. IV The criterion that the expectation of the commutator of spacelike separated operators vanish is mathematically incorrect as shown by Schrodinger in 1930.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!wupost!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!well!sarfatti From: sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) Subject: unitarity red herring Message-ID: <BssCHF.JxB@well.sf.ca.us> Sender: news@well.sf.ca.us Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1992 20:48:51 GMT Lines: 78