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Article #1086Re: ICHEP-92 Report
From: David E. Brahm
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 06:31
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 06:31
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clark@bork.nist.gov (Charles Clark) writes: > ... what has happened to the 17 keV neutrino ? sichase@csa2.lbl.gov (sci.physics demigod Scott Chase) writes: > A Japanese group published a strong negative result some months ago which > has many people starting to lean towards the "No 17-KeV neutino" position. > People here at LBL, some of whom still have experiments in progress, seem > to still keep their minds open. One interesting new result I heard was from Norman (of LBL) himself. Their old experiment, beta decay of 14-C, saw a kink at 17 keV; I think I heard a statistical significance of 9 sigma. Their new experiment, inner bremstrahlung from 55-Fe, sees no kink, contradicting the result of their first experiment by 7 sigma. It was amusing hearing Norman describe both results in the same talk. To my untrained eye the 55-Fe data (null result) looked a lot more convincing. Somebody else did an experiment with 2 different radioactive elements mixed together, in a way that was supposed to subtract out much of the theoretical uncertainty associated with these experiments, and they also got a null result. It is still true that all positive results have been in solid state detectors, but not all solid state detectors get positive results. Yet Norman claimed to be able to show it is not a solid state effect. The positive results are statistically significant, and something funny is going on, but the negative results argue very strongly against a 17 keV neutrino. I think there must be some other, very obscure explanation. Scott says, > Until this issue [solid state vs. magnetic spectroscopy] is settled, > it seems to me that the entire question remains open. There is still a big mystery. Isn't science fun? -- Staccato signals of constant information, | -- David Brahm A loose affiliation of millionaires and | (brahm@cco.caltech.edu) billionaires and Baby ... |--------------------------- These are the days of miracle and wonder, | Disclaimer: I only speak And don't cry, Baby, don't cry, don't cry. | for the sensible folks.
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