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Article #1089Re: My objections to the collapse postulate
From: paul
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:08
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1992 17:08
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In article <1992Apr10.212404.2528@math.okstate.edu>, gindrup@math.okstate.edu (Eric `'d'kidd' G..) writes: >...The information that the second > observer obtains does not travel between observers faster than light, because > the second observer cannot know whether either observer was actually > "there" when the photon collapsed. > ... > What's the problem? That information is transferred instantaneously in singlet state quantum collapse without being able to send a signal has been mentioned in this discussion many times, but it is a subtle and confusing point. The best intuitive explanation I have is based on cryptography. A perfect one time pad in cryptography is generated by taking the exclusive or of each bit in the message with a bit in a perfect random sequence. (I am ignoring for the moment that I don't think there exists any such thing as a perfect random sequence. :-) It is impossible to decrypt such a message without knowing the pad or key because the encrypted message is also a perfect random sequence. Now suppose we have one observer transmitting a bit sequence to a second distant observer. Some times the first observer sends random bits and sometimes he sends a message encrypted with a perfect one time pad. The receiver cannot know when a message is being sent. The sequence he receives is equally random in either case. Now suppose the transmitter gives the receiver the pads he was using. The receiver can use these pads to determine when the messages were sent and to decrypt them. He can measure precisely when the encrypted message was transferred even though he was not able to decrypt the message at the time it was sent or even able to know that a message was being sent at that time. This is precisely the situation with singlet state quantum collapse. The perfect random pad is provided by quantum uncertainty. The transmitter in such an experiment sends an encrypted message by varying the angle of a polarizer. This is received as a series of detections. These detections appear completely random. However they are precisely correlated with an encryption key provided by quantum uncertainty. We know what this encryption key is (it is the observed detections at the transmitting site). We can communicate this key to the remote site (but not faster than the speed of light) and this key can be used to both decrypt the message and to measure precisely when the encrypted message or information was transferred. Using this technique we can prove that the remote observations were instantaneously correlated with the local observations and manipulations of a local polarizer. This technique will allow us to experimentally verify that information (the encrypted message) was transferred instantaneously in the unlikely event that the instantaneous collapse postulate is true. Paul Budnik
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!mtnmath!paul From: paul@mtnmath.UUCP (paul) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: My objections to the collapse postulate Summary: How information is transferred without being able to signal. Message-ID: <219@mtnmath.UUCP> Date: 11 Apr 92 17:08:28 GMT References: <217@mtnmath.UUCP> <ktv2arINNqjp@network.ucsd.edu> <1992Apr10.212404.2528@math.okstate.edu> Organization: Mountain Math Software, P. O. Box 2124, Saratoga. CA 95070 Lines: 45