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Article #10982Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Don Martin
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:45
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:45
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On Aug 6, 8:39 am, Don Martin <drdonmar...@comcast.net> wrote: > On Aug 6, 12:13 am, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > "JM" <JM20000...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:6db979c1-79a0-4d30-8eab-e33e41c81e40@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > > On Aug 4, 10:47 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Aug 5, 1:05 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 3:54 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:147d2d46-ff33-4aac-b29a-7e24af243840@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:56 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> > On Aug 3, 4:29 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > > > >> >> <rbwi...@juno.com> > > > > > >> >> wrote > > > > > >> >> in alt.atheism: > > > > > > >> >>> On Aug 3, 8:12?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>> On Aug 2, 8:53 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn > > > > > >> >>>>>> <rbwi...@juno.com> > > > > > >> >>>>>> wrote > > > > > >> >>>>>> in alt.atheism: > > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2:30?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> > > > > > >> >>>>>>> wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: > > > > > >> >>>>>> ... > > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Discuss it with John after the resurrection. > > > > > >> >>>>>>>> No proof of this alleged "resurrection", is there? > > > > > >> >>>>>>> Well, actually there is. The apostles were witnesses of the > > > > > >> >>>>>>> resurrected Christ on two separate occasions. > > > > > >> >>>>>> No evidence backs up your claim. > > > > > >> >>>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible if you want one. > > > > > >> >>>> I have a Bible. ?There's no evidence in there to back up your > > > > > >> >>>> claim. > > > > > >> >>> John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of > > > > > >> >>> the > > > > > >> >>> week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were > > > > > >> >>> assembled for > > > > > >> >>> fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith > > > > > >> >>> unto > > > > > >> >>> them, Peace be unto you. > > > > > >> >>> John 21:9 As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a > > > > > >> >>> fire of > > > > > >> >>> coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. > > > > > >> >>> 10 Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now > > > > > >> >>> caught. > > > > > >> >>> 11 Simon Peter went up, and drew the net to land full of great > > > > > >> >>> fishes, an hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were > > > > > >> >>> so > > > > > >> >>> many, yet was not the net broken. > > > > > >> >>> 12Jesus saith unto them Come and dine, And none of the > > > > > >> >>> disciples > > > > > >> >>> durst > > > > > >> >>> ask him , Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord. > > > > > >> >>> 13 Jesus then cometh , and taketh bread, and giveth them, and > > > > > >> >>> fish > > > > > >> >>> likewise. > > > > > >> >>> 14 This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his > > > > > >> >>> disciples, after that he was risen from the dead. > > > > > >> >> The Bible still is not evidence. I asked for evidence.- Hide > > > > > >> >> quoted > > > > > >> >> text - > > > > > > >> > The Bible is accepted as evidence in court. > > > > > > >> For what kinds of cases? > > > > > > > For all kinds of cases. Clarence Darrow had the Bible entered as > > > > > > evidence in the monkey trial. > > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > > All kinds if cases? > > > > > You mean, "one type of case"? > > > > > No, a lawyer can attempt to introduce any physical object as evidence > > > > in a court case. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > Relevant evidence > > > > Al > > > Does the parents have to condescend to their children? > > ========================================== > > Is that supposed to be English? > > Well, he's doing the best he can. So far as I can make out what he is > trying to say, it would seem he raises a moot issue: the parents, by > BEING there, demonstrate their existence daily. The supernatural > superspook demonstrates not, neither doth he spin, but if proof of his > existence is important to him, he had better suck it up and have at > it. No one else can do it as well as he, presumably, should he happen > to actually exist. An afterthought: being there for the children is practically the first item of any definition of GOOD parenting. Since the semi-anonymous "JM" proposes the analogy between a god and a parent, I suspect that it is up to him to show us how this god's absentee "parenting" is Good Parenting (and one would humbly expect that what a god does must needs be far superior to the poor efforts of humans).
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