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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11089
From: Smiler
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:06
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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On Aug 4, 6:27?am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 1, 6:47 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. 
> >>>>>>>>>> Three
> >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction 
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >>>>>>>>>> ================================
> >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and 
> >>>>>>>>> decide for
> >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for 
> >>>>>>>>> yourself.
> >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still 
> >>>>>>>> fail to
> >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the 
> >>>>>>>> Bible.
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> ******************************************************
> >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way 
> >>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>> atheist claimed?
> >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was 
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is 
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this 
> >>>>>>> newsgroup?
> >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist 
> >>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>> make a decision about this.
> >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of 
> >>>>>>> Hezekiah's
> >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said 
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that 
> >>>>>>> there
> >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that 
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>> obviously true.
> >>>>>> How about this mindblower:
> >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the 
> >>>>>> truthfulness
> >>>>>> of the Bible.
> >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it 
> >>>>>> describe
> >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel 
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >>>>> of something that can be observed.
> >>>> And that's irrelevant.
> >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
> >>> No, it is not irrelevant.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >>>>> this will help you in your studies.
> >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me 
> >>>> know.
> >>>> --
> >>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
> >>> Robert B. Winn
> >> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a
> >> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO
> >> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems
> >> to point to him NEVER existing .......
>
> >> --
> >> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>
> >> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
> >> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
> >> - A. Einstein
>
> >> Does Schr dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide
> > for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say.
> > Robert B. Winn
>
> you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything
> other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time
> ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if
> you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed .......
>
> --
> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>
> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
> ? - A. Einstein

1 Corinthians 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that
perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of
God.
========================================
Harry Potter left for Hogwarts from platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross station.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 
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