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Article #11089Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Smiler
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:06
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:06
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:1082fbd6-2ddd-4605-8acb-e9482c479d0c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... On Aug 4, 6:27?am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 1, 6:47 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>>>> Three > >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>>>> ================================ > >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and > >>>>>>>>> decide for > >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for > >>>>>>>>> yourself. > >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still > >>>>>>>> fail to > >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the > >>>>>>>> Bible. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> ****************************************************** > >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way > >>>>>>> one > >>>>>>> atheist claimed? > >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is > >>>>>>> it > >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this > >>>>>>> newsgroup? > >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> make a decision about this. > >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of > >>>>>>> Hezekiah's > >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that > >>>>>>> there > >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that > >>>>>>> are > >>>>>>> obviously true. > >>>>>> How about this mindblower: > >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the > >>>>>> truthfulness > >>>>>> of the Bible. > >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them > >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it > >>>>>> describe > >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted > >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel > >>>>> is > >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction > >>>>> of something that can be observed. > >>>> And that's irrelevant. > >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book > >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all > >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. > >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. > >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is > >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. > >>> No, it is not irrelevant. > >>>>> The > >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes > >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you > >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have > >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope > >>>>> this will help you in your studies. > >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me > >>>> know. > >>>> -- > >>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your > >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a > >> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO > >> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems > >> to point to him NEVER existing ....... > > >> -- > >> MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... > > >> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity > >> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... > >> - A. Einstein > > >> Does Schr dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide > > for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say. > > Robert B. Winn > > you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything > other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time > ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if > you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed ....... > > -- > MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity > ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... > ? - A. Einstein 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. ======================================== Harry Potter left for Hogwarts from platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross station. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.news-service.com!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!npeersf01.ams.highwinds-media.com!newsfe12.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism References: <a1d5296b-773e-4061-a6b4-f8ee8ba40816@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <6emi8eF7tes7U1@mid.individual.net> <9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <vl8kk.20588$x66.2869@newsfe25.ams2> <fc752ccf-7a54-4e7a-9556-822a0f4177ca@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <ueOdnf7cNJQW1wzVnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net> <966ad0cc-c819-4ab2-ae70-e61a50de08f7@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <ZvCdnWLkP_fjKAzVnZ2dnUVZ_vudnZ2d@speakeasy.net> <339eb2f8-8b24-46a9-852c-0e081986d26c@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <oLqdndiimOa7-A_VnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> <2a7bd98b-03d9-4965-9258-fd7e0790733e@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <g6v68v$iaa$1@austar-news.austar.net.au> <e74ca6d6-3953-4c23-9fa8-236ce837a4d4@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <g7727e$86t$1@austar-news.austar.net.au> <1082fbd6-2ddd-4605-8acb-e9482c479d0c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? Lines: 133 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080805-0, 05/08/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: <Ly8mk.162666$7O1.155296@newsfe12.ams2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.20.95.207 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe12.ams2 1217991979 82.20.95.207 (Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:06:19 UTC) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:06:19 UTC Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 04:06:19 +0100