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Article #11094Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: DanielSan
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:12
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:12
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Smiler wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:1082fbd6-2ddd-4605-8acb-e9482c479d0c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 4, 6:27?am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Aug 1, 6:47 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>>>> Three >>>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>>>> ================================ >>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. >>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? >>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and >>>>>>>>>>> decide for >>>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- >>>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for >>>>>>>>>>> yourself. >>>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still >>>>>>>>>> fail to >>>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the >>>>>>>>>> Bible. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * >>>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> atheist claimed? >>>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. >>>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate >>>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this >>>>>>>>> newsgroup? >>>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. >>>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> make a decision about this. >>>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of >>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> obviously true. >>>>>>>> How about this mindblower: >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is >>>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the >>>>>>>> truthfulness >>>>>>>> of the Bible. >>>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them >>>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. >>>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it >>>>>>>> describe >>>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? >>>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted >>>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction >>>>>>> of something that can be observed. >>>>>> And that's irrelevant. >>>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book >>>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all >>>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. >>>>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. >>>>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is >>>>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. >>>>> No, it is not irrelevant. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes >>>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you >>>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have >>>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not >>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope >>>>>>> this will help you in your studies. >>>>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me >>>>>> know. >>>>>> -- >>>>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your >>>>> sins, it is your problem, not mine. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a >>>> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO >>>> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems >>>> to point to him NEVER existing ....... >>>> -- >>>> MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... >>>> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity >>>> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... >>>> - A. Einstein >>>> Does Schr dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide >>> for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say. >>> Robert B. Winn >> you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything >> other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time >> ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if >> you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed ....... >> >> -- >> MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... >> >> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity >> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... >> ? - A. Einstein > > 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that > perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of > God. > ======================================== > Harry Potter left for Hogwarts from platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross station. Arthur Dent witnessed the construction of the Earth. The Earth exists. Therefore, we are descended from Golgafrinchams. -- **************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *--------------------------------------------------* * Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He * * can't eat it? * ****************************************************
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