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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#11094
From: DanielSan
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:12
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Smiler wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
> news:1082fbd6-2ddd-4605-8acb-e9482c479d0c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 4, 6:27?am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 6:47 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Three
>>>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ================================
>>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> decide for
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for 
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still 
>>>>>>>>>> fail to
>>>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the 
>>>>>>>>>> Bible.
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way 
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> atheist claimed?
>>>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>>>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is 
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this 
>>>>>>>>> newsgroup?
>>>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>>>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist 
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> make a decision about this.
>>>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of 
>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said 
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that 
>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> obviously true.
>>>>>>>> How about this mindblower:
>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>>>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the 
>>>>>>>> truthfulness
>>>>>>>> of the Bible.
>>>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
>>>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>>>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it 
>>>>>>>> describe
>>>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
>>>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel 
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
>>>>>>> of something that can be observed.
>>>>>> And that's irrelevant.
>>>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
>>>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>>>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>>>>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
>>>>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
>>>>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
>>>>> No, it is not irrelevant.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>>>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
>>>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
>>>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>>>>>>> this will help you in your studies.
>>>>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me 
>>>>>> know.
>>>>>> --
>>>>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
>>>>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a
>>>> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO
>>>> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems
>>>> to point to him NEVER existing .......
>>>> --
>>>> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>>>> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
>>>> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
>>>> - A. Einstein
>>>> Does Schr dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide
>>> for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything
>> other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time
>> ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if
>> you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed .......
>>
>> --
>> MA ....Yoiks .... and away .....
>>
>> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity
>> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe ..........
>> ? - A. Einstein
> 
> 1 Corinthians 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that
> perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of
> God.
> ========================================
> Harry Potter left for Hogwarts from platform 9 3/4 at Kings Cross station.

Arthur Dent witnessed the construction of the Earth.  The Earth exists. 
  Therefore, we are descended from Golgafrinchams.

-- 
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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226          *
*--------------------------------------------------*
* Can God create a Thai dish so spicy that even He *
* can't eat it?                                    *
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