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On Aug 4, 9:11�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 5, 6:57 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 3, 11:44 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > On Aug 3, 11:03 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Aug 2, 8:52 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > > > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:37:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> > > > > in alt.atheism:
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> > > > > >On Aug 1, 8:26?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >> >>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> evidence
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> it's
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> --
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>>> Steve O
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> ================================
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> > > > > >> >>>>>>>> Smiler,
> > > > > >> >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> > > > > >> >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> > > > > >> >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> > > > > >> >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> > > > > >> >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> > > > > >> >>>>>> --
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> > > > > >> >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> > > > > >> >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> > > > > >> >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> > > > > >> >>>>> atheist claimed?
> > > > > >> >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> > > > > >> >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> > > > > >> >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> > > > > >> >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> > > > > >> >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> > > > > >> >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> > > > > >> >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> > > > > >> >>>>> make a decision about this.
> > > > > >> >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> > > > > >> >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> > > > > >> >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> > > > > >> >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> > > > > >> >>>>> obviously true.
> > > > > >> >>>> How about this mindblower:
> > > > > >> >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> > > > > >> >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> > > > > >> >>>> of the Bible.
> > > > > >> >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> > > > > >> >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> > > > > >> >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> > > > > >> >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> > > > > >> >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> > > > > >> >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> > > > > >> >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> > > > > >> >>> of something that can be observed.
> > > > > >> >> And that's irrelevant.
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> > > > > >> >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> > > > > >> >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> > > > > >> >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> > > > > >> >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> > > > > >> >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> > > > > >> >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
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> > > > > >> > No, it is not irrelevant.
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> > > > > >> Yes. ?Yes, it is.
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> > > > > >> >>> The
> > > > > >> >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> > > > > >> >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> > > > > >> >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> > > > > >> >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> > > > > >> >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> > > > > >> >>> this will help you in your studies.
> > > > > >> >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
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> > > > > >> >> --
> > > > > >> > God already proved it. ?If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> > > > > >> > sins, it is your problem, not mine.
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> > > > > >> God has done nothing of the sort. ?Someone told you that God proved it,
> > > > > >> but do you have any evidence that he did?
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> > > > > >> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
> > > > > >> show to exist is summarily rejected.
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> > > > > >There is no threat. You atheists say that you do not want to enter
> > > > > >heaven.
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> > > > > Once again, you have chosen to lie. What we have said is that there is
> > > > > no reason to believe in heaven because no evidence at all backs up your
> > > > > claim that heaven exists. We have said nothing about wanting or not
> > > > > wanting to enter it, though it is true that the heaven that many
> > > > > Christians describe is hellishly oppressive.
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> > > > > >You will get exactly what you say you want. So where is the
> > > > > >threat?
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> > > > > You act as if there is a hell. No evidence backs it up, yet you continue
> > > > > to yammer on about this imaginary place.
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> > > > > >It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
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> > > > > Hell and heaven are both fantasies. No evidence backs up anything about
> > > > > them. Every time you talk about it, you show us how completely deluded
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> > > > I was not talking about hell. You were. I mention Satan once in a
> > > > while, but only to designate that he is there. Choose for yourself
> > > > what you are going to do. If you really did not believe in Satan, it
> > > > would not bother you if he is mentioned. Prior to this atheists were
> > > > almost estatic whenever Harry Potter was mentioned, and Harry Potter
> > > > is definitely an imaginary being. What makes you so upset when Satan
> > > > is mentioned?
> > > > Robert B. Winn
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> > > There are so many gods with your god.
> > > So, is this satan a good god?
> > > Remember that sometime ago you said that god stepped aside for satan
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> > No, I do not remember that.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> Go and read what you had posted in your previous message.
> You are aware that you have mental problem....that's why you could not
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I don'tr remember it because it did not happen.  That is not a mental
problem.  If I did remember something that did not happen, then that
would be a mental problem.
Robert B. Winn