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Article #11213Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 02:55
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On Aug 4, 6:27�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Aug 1, 6:47 am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O > >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three > >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of > >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. > >>>>>>>>>> ================================ > >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. > >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? > >>>>>>>>>> Smiler, > >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for > >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- > >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. > >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to > >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> ****************************************************** > >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's > >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one > >>>>>>> atheist claimed? > >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. > >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate > >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the > >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it > >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? > >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. > >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to > >>>>>>> make a decision about this. > >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's > >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that > >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there > >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are > >>>>>>> obviously true. > >>>>>> How about this mindblower: > >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is > >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness > >>>>>> of the Bible. > >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them > >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. > >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe > >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? > >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted > >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is > >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction > >>>>> of something that can be observed. > >>>> And that's irrelevant. > >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book > >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all > >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. > >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. > >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is > >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. > >>> No, it is not irrelevant. > >>>>> The > >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes > >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you > >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have > >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not > >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope > >>>>> this will help you in your studies. > >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know. > >>>> -- > >>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for your > >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a > >> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO > >> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems > >> to point to him NEVER existing ....... > > >> -- > >> MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... > > >> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity > >> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... > >> - A. Einstein > > >> Does Schr dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide > > for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say. > > Robert B. Winn > > you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything > other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time > ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if > you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed ....... > > -- > MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity > ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... > � - A. Einstein 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. Robert B. Winn
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