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Article #11229Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Masked Avenger
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:27
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:27
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rbwinn wrote: > On Aug 1, 6:47�am, Masked Avenger <cootey...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>>>>>>>> ================================ >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station. >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true? >>>>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self- >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself. >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> ****************************************************** >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one >>>>>>> atheist claimed? >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote. >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup? >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes. >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to >>>>>>> make a decision about this. >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are >>>>>>> obviously true. >>>>>> How about this mindblower: >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness >>>>>> of the Bible. >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans. >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are? >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction >>>>> of something that can be observed. >>>> And that's irrelevant. >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction. >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it. >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book. >>> No, it is not irrelevant. >>>>> The >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope >>>>> this will help you in your studies. >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know. >>>> -- >>> God already proved it. �If you reject the atonement of Christ for your >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine. >>> Robert B. Winn >> No .... it's your problem ...... because you're basing all this on a >> certain 'Jesus Christ' character ........ and you have absolutely NO >> proof he ever existed ....... in fact ... the weight of evidence seems >> to point to him NEVER existing ....... >> >> -- >> MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... >> >> Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity >> ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... >> � - A. Einstein >> >> Does Schr�dinger's cat have 18 half lives ?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I could send you a copy of the Bible, and then you could decide > for yourself instead of just repeating what other atheists say. > Robert B. Winn you're joking ....... right ? ....... the Bible doesn't prove anything other than there were a lot of deluded people writing shit a long time ago ...... it certainly doesn't prove the existence of Jesus ...... if you disagree .... please show me where it 'proves' Jesus existed ....... -- MA ....Yoiks .... and away ..... Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity ............. and I'm not sure about the Universe .......... - A. Einstein Does Schrödinger's cat have 18 half lives ?
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