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From: John C. Baez
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 15:48
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 15:48
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In article <1992Aug10.202618.1433@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: >In article <1992Aug10.184700.3204@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rscott@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert Scott) writes: >>AS FOR YOUR COMPLAINT THAT LIGHT-SPEED DELAYS CAN NOT EXPLAIN WHY >>TIME-DILATION OCCURS, I THINK THAT YOU GOT IT EXACTLY BACKWARDS. THAT >>IS, IT'S NOT THAT THE ROBOTS IN THE GAME DON'T EXHIBIT TIME-DILATION; >>RATHER IT'S THAT THERE ISN'T EVEN ANY STANDARD AGAINST WHICH YOU CAN >>ASK WHETHER THEIR TIME IS DILATED. THAT IS, THE SYMMETRY GROUP >>OPERATING HERE, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION OF THE GROUP OF AFFINE >>TRANSFORMATIONS (PRESERVING THE STRUCTURE RELATED TO INERTIAL MOTION >>AND THE SPECIFICATION OF SPACE-TIME POINTS IN TERMS OF AFFINE >>COMBINATIONS) AND THE GROUP OF "LORENTZIAN CONFORMAL" TRANSFORMATIONS >>(PRESERVING THE STRUCTURE RELATED TO THE LIGHT-SPEED SIGNALLING >>PROTOCOL) IS ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE, JUST THE POINCARE GROUP OF SPECIAL >>RELATIVITY. > > What? If there is no relation between the time standards, there > is complete anarchy and you cannot describe the kinematics of the > system at all. The group Scott is referring to here, Poincare transformations plus scaling, is sometimes called the Weyl group and is indeed a symmetry of relativistic theories of *massless* particles. See my forthcoming post on symmetry for more.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!nevanlinna!jbaez From: jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: ORTHODOX SPECIAL RELATIVITY Message-ID: <1992Aug11.154818.26748@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: nevanlinna Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Aug10.184700.3204@sbcs.sunysb.edu> <1992Aug10.202618.1433@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 15:48:18 GMT Lines: 24