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On Aug 3, 8:50�pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Aug 3, 4:25 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>> On Aug 3, 8:21 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> On Aug 3, 4:29 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Aug 2, 7:16 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Most independent voters do not have the means to meet the requirements
> >>>>>>>>>>> for ballot access that party politicians have imposed.
> >>>>>>>>>> Most PEOPLE do not have the means to meet the requirements for ballot
> >>>>>>>>>> access that the party politicians have imposed.
> >>>>>>>>> Well, I am sure that you Europeans are very impressed by that, but we
> >>>>>>>>> Americans would like to have our own system of elections in effect.
> >>>>>>>>> Democrats and Republicans see the voters as their personal property
> >>>>>>>>> the same way Nazi party members saw the people of Germany as their
> >>>>>>>>> personal property before World War II.
> >>>>>>>> I notice you TOTALLY ignored the demolition of your claim.
> >>>>>>> Well, you Party members do not like to be ignored, I know that much.
> >>>>>>> Sorry, but I registered as an independent voter the first time i
> >>>>>>> voted.
> >>>>>> So did I. And your claim that Independent voters cannot run for office
> >>>>>> was demolished.
> >>>>> Independent voters cannot run for public office.
> >>>> Then how did Bernie Sanders get into office?
> >>>>> You said it
> >>>>> yourself.
> >>>> Where?
> >>>>> As recent as the 1970's there were states where an
> >>>>> independent voter could run for President of the United States with 24
> >>>>> nomination petition signatures. That is no longer true. Party
> >>>>> politicians have passed laws in almost all states since that time
> >>>>> putting candidacy for office out of the reach of independent voters.
> >>>>> Unless a person running for office has a party faction behind him, he
> >>>>> cannot meet the requirements to get on the ballot. Party politicians
> >>>>> make certain that a person running for office has to solicit money and
> >>>>> organize faction, making all candidates automatically part of the
> >>>>> corruption of party politics. Until recently in American government
> >>>>> this was not true. When the government first started, elections were
> >>>>> conducted to include ordinary citizens.
> >>>> Then why can I find evidence of Independents running for office
> >>>> throughout our nation's history...up to this election?
> >>> Up until this election independent voters were allowed and able to
> >>> register as candidates in the United States, although since 1800, the
> >>> party controlled news media has never publicized anything except party
> >>> candidates.
> >>> Now in this election, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader is running as
> >>> an independent candidate. However, Mr. Nader is not an independent
> >>> voter. You would also discover that almost all independent candidates
> >>> in the United States have not been independent voters.
> >> How do you define "independent voters"?
>
> >> --
> > An independent voter is a voter who is not registered as a member of a
> > political party. � Originally all voters in the United States were
> > independent voters.
>
> How about a voter who is registered as an Independent?
>
> --
Major party operatives have registered an Independent Party in almost
all states so that they can pretend to be confused when any person
registers as an Independent.  This has the effect of keeping
independent voter registration under party control.  Here in Arizona
the parties made the mistake of putting a check box on the voter
registration form marked None,(with regard to party preference), and
within ten years Arizona had the highest rate of independent voter
registration in the nation.  The number of independent voters
increased from about 2% to 25% before they took the option to register
independent off of the voter registration form.  I don't think you
will see them do that again.
Robert B. Winn