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Article #1132Re: unitarity red herring
From: John C. Baez
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 15:59
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 15:59
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Good ole' 92223.112308MRG3 writes: An analysis of the physical description of Sarfatti's spin-flip mechanism. I know this is redundant and obvious to almost anyone who has taken the usual first year quantum courses, but I just had to... Abstract: I show that the proposed description of the spin- flip device can either be local or unitary, but assuming both leads to a contradiction. Hence, if the description is the "correct" quantum mechanical one it is the nonlocal nature of the spin-flip which gives rise to FTL communication, NOT quantum entanglement. Evolution in quantum mechanics is given by unitary transformations on the hilbert space of vectors associated with the possible state of the system. [Excellent intro to quantum theory omitted] The transition in question is (|v1>|v2> +|h1>|h2>)/sqrt2 -> (|v1>e^(i phi) + |h1>)|v2>/sqrt2 It is elementary to show that this is norm preserving in that the initial state has the same norm as the final state (and is equal to one) so that probability is conserved. ----- Okay, maybe this is a case of a typo but yet again I have to note that this transformation is NOT unitary, since the h2 that appears on the left side is simply MISSING from the right side. A transformation that is not 1-1 cannot be unitary. It seems, by the way, that Sarfatti knows his transformation is unitary and couldn't care less: In article <BssCHF.JxB@well.sf.ca.us> sarfatti@well.sf.ca.us (Jack Sarfatti) writes: >to Mike Gallis MRG3@PSUVM.PSU.EDU >EXORCISING THE UNITARITY DEMON > >#1 your argument [ |v> - |h>]/sqrt2 -> 0 does not describe the behavior of >my >device. I showed that earlier. > >#2 The mistake you keep making is to take a fragmentary view. You keep >saying that the matrix is not unitary. So what! I am using both Feynman >rules >from preparation to irreversible detections and this process is not unitary. >If you >want to describe the total behavior of my device then of course the matrix >from >start to finish is not unitary because of measurements! > >Feynman gives us two rules to do standard quantum mechanics. The first rule >corresponds to your much beloved unitary evolution but you forget that >unitary >evolution is only true between preparation and detection. Feynman's unitary >rule is: >Unitary rule: Add amplitudes before squaring for indistinguishable >histories. > >Feynman's non-unitary measurement rule is: > >Measurement rule: Square amplitudes before adding for distinguishable >histories. > >Why do you, and others for that matter, have such tunnel vision and exclude >the detection processes? > >#3 It is not good enough to present irrelevant formal arguments that the >matrix >is not unitary. It is not supposed to be unitary since I have a complete >solution >of the problem including the irreversible measurements at the four >detectors. Well, you can call what you are doing "standard quantum mechanics" and cite Feynman if you like, but the nonunitarity of your process goes against what I'd call "standard quantum mechanics" and a clear symptom of that fact is that you claim that you can get faster-than-light communication! I would urge you to stop arguing and build a device which does this feat you claim it can do. If you can do it and others can repeat the experiment, you'll be famous. If you can't do it... I won't be surprised.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!eff!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!nevanlinna!jbaez From: jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: unitarity red herring Message-ID: <1992Aug11.155946.26980@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: nevanlinna Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <BssCHF.JxB@well.sf.ca.us> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 92 15:59:46 GMT Lines: 84