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On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote
in alt.atheism:

>On Aug 2, 8:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:37:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>> in alt.atheism:
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>> >On Aug 1, 8:26?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> > On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
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>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
>> >> >>>>>>>>> it's
>> >> >>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
>> >> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Steve O
>> >> >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
>> >> >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
>> >> >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>> >> >>>>>>>> ================================
>> >> >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>> >> >>>>>>>> Smiler,
>> >> >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
>> >> >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>> >> >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
>> >> >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
>> >> >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
>> >> >>>>>> --
>> >> >>>>>> ******************************************************
>> >> >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>> >> >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>> >> >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
>> >> >>>>> atheist claimed?
>> >> >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>> >> >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>> >> >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
>> >> >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
>> >> >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
>> >> >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>> >> >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
>> >> >>>>> make a decision about this.
>> >> >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
>> >> >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
>> >> >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
>> >> >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
>> >> >>>>> obviously true.
>> >> >>>> How about this mindblower:
>> >> >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>> >> >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
>> >> >>>> of the Bible.
>> >> >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
>> >> >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>> >> >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
>> >> >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>> >> >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
>> >> >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
>> >> >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
>> >> >>> of something that can be observed.
>> >> >> And that's irrelevant.
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>> >> >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
>> >> >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>> >> >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>> >> >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
>> >> >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
>> >> >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
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>> >> > No, it is not irrelevant.
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>> >> Yes. ?Yes, it is.
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>> >> >>> The
>> >> >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>> >> >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
>> >> >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
>> >> >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>> >> >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>> >> >>> this will help you in your studies.
>> >> >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
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>> >> >> --
>> >> > God already proved it. ?If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
>> >> > sins, it is your problem, not mine.
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>> >> God has done nothing of the sort. ?Someone told you that God proved it,
>> >> but do you have any evidence that he did?
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>> >> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
>> >> show to exist is summarily rejected.
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>> >There is no threat. ?You atheists say that you do not want to enter
>> >heaven.
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>> Once again, you have chosen to lie. What we have said is that there is
>> no reason to believe in heaven because no evidence at all backs up your
>> claim that heaven exists. We have said nothing about wanting or not
>> wanting to enter it, though it is true that the heaven that many
>> Christians describe is hellishly oppressive.
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>> >You will get exactly what you say you want. ?So where is the
>> >threat?
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>> You act as if there is a hell. No evidence backs it up, yet you continue
>> to yammer on about this imaginary place.
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>> >It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
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>> Hell and heaven are both fantasies. No evidence backs up anything about
>> them. Every time you talk about it, you show us how completely deluded
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>I was not talking about hell.  You were.  I mention Satan once in a
>while, but only to designate that he is there.

Satan is not there. Satan is one of the gods borrowed by Christianity.

>Choose for yourself
>what you are going to do. 

Accept reality and reject fantasy.

>If you really did not believe in Satan, it
>would not bother you if he is mentioned. 

It does not bother me that you mention Satan. It bothers me that you
tell us lies.

>Prior to this atheists were
>almost estatic whenever Harry Potter was mentioned, and Harry Potter
>is definitely an imaginary being. 

And you tell us more lies. 

>What makes you so upset when Satan
>is mentioned?

The mention does not upset me, your lies do. Of course, it doesn't
bother me that you offer your dishonesty as an example of how to be a
good LDS. I suppose that someone in SLC might be upset, since you really
make LDS look bad with your intentional ignorance, foolishness and lies,
but that is their problem, not mine.

I think you are a complete fake.