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Article #1134Re: ORTHODOX SPECIAL RELATIVITY
From: Cameron Randale Bass
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 16:43
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 16:43
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In article <1992Aug11.154818.26748@galois.mit.edu> jbaez@nevanlinna.mit.edu (John C. Baez) writes:
>In article <1992Aug10.202618.1433@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes:
>>In article <1992Aug10.184700.3204@sbcs.sunysb.edu> rscott@csws1.ic.sunysb.edu (Robert Scott) writes:
>
>>>AS FOR YOUR COMPLAINT THAT LIGHT-SPEED DELAYS CAN NOT EXPLAIN WHY
>>>TIME-DILATION OCCURS, I THINK THAT YOU GOT IT EXACTLY BACKWARDS. THAT
>>>IS, IT'S NOT THAT THE ROBOTS IN THE GAME DON'T EXHIBIT TIME-DILATION;
>>>RATHER IT'S THAT THERE ISN'T EVEN ANY STANDARD AGAINST WHICH YOU CAN
>>>ASK WHETHER THEIR TIME IS DILATED. THAT IS, THE SYMMETRY GROUP
>>>OPERATING HERE, WHICH IS THE INTERSECTION OF THE GROUP OF AFFINE
>>>TRANSFORMATIONS (PRESERVING THE STRUCTURE RELATED TO INERTIAL MOTION
>>>AND THE SPECIFICATION OF SPACE-TIME POINTS IN TERMS OF AFFINE
>>>COMBINATIONS) AND THE GROUP OF "LORENTZIAN CONFORMAL" TRANSFORMATIONS
>>>(PRESERVING THE STRUCTURE RELATED TO THE LIGHT-SPEED SIGNALLING
>>>PROTOCOL) IS ALMOST, BUT NOT QUITE, JUST THE POINCARE GROUP OF SPECIAL
>>>RELATIVITY.
>>
>> What? If there is no relation between the time standards, there
>> is complete anarchy and you cannot describe the kinematics of the
>> system at all.
>
>The group Scott is referring to here, Poincare transformations plus
>scaling, is sometimes called the Weyl group and is indeed a symmetry of
>relativistic theories of *massless* particles. See my forthcoming post
>on symmetry for more.
I realize that. How does he impose it?
dale bass
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C. R. Bass crb7q@virginia.edu
Department of Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, Virginia (804) 924-7926
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