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On Aug 3, 9:08�am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> in alt.atheism:
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> >On Aug 2, 8:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:37:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> >> in alt.atheism:
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> >> >On Aug 1, 8:26?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >> > On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
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> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> evidence
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> it's
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Steve O
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
> >> >> >>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
> >> >> >>>>>>>> ================================
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Smiler,
> >> >> >>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
> >> >> >>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
> >> >> >>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
> >> >> >>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
> >> >> >>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
> >> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >> >>>>>> ******************************************************
> >> >> >>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
> >> >> >>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
> >> >> >>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
> >> >> >>>>> atheist claimed?
> >> >> >>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
> >> >> >>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
> >> >> >>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
> >> >> >>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
> >> >> >>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
> >> >> >>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
> >> >> >>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
> >> >> >>>>> make a decision about this.
> >> >> >>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
> >> >> >>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
> >> >> >>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
> >> >> >>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
> >> >> >>>>> obviously true.
> >> >> >>>> How about this mindblower:
> >> >> >>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
> >> >> >>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
> >> >> >>>> of the Bible.
> >> >> >>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
> >> >> >>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
> >> >> >>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
> >> >> >>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
> >> >> >>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
> >> >> >>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
> >> >> >>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
> >> >> >>> of something that can be observed.
> >> >> >> And that's irrelevant.
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> >> >> >>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
> >> >> >>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
> >> >> >>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
> >> >> >> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
> >> >> >> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
> >> >> >> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
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> >> >> > No, it is not irrelevant.
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> >> >> Yes. ?Yes, it is.
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> >> >> >>> The
> >> >> >>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
> >> >> >>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
> >> >> >>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
> >> >> >>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
> >> >> >>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
> >> >> >>> this will help you in your studies.
> >> >> >> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
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> >> >> >> --
> >> >> > God already proved it. ?If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
> >> >> > sins, it is your problem, not mine.
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> >> >> God has done nothing of the sort. ?Someone told you that God proved it,
> >> >> but do you have any evidence that he did?
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> >> >> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
> >> >> show to exist is summarily rejected.
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> >> >There is no threat. ?You atheists say that you do not want to enter
> >> >heaven.
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> >> Once again, you have chosen to lie. What we have said is that there is
> >> no reason to believe in heaven because no evidence at all backs up your
> >> claim that heaven exists. We have said nothing about wanting or not
> >> wanting to enter it, though it is true that the heaven that many
> >> Christians describe is hellishly oppressive.
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> >> >You will get exactly what you say you want. ?So where is the
> >> >threat?
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> >> You act as if there is a hell. No evidence backs it up, yet you continue
> >> to yammer on about this imaginary place.
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> >> >It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
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> >> Hell and heaven are both fantasies. No evidence backs up anything about
> >> them. Every time you talk about it, you show us how completely deluded
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> >I was not talking about hell. �You were. �I mention Satan once in a
> >while, but only to designate that he is there.
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> Satan is not there. Satan is one of the gods borrowed by Christianity.
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> >Choose for yourself
> >what you are going to do.
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> Accept reality and reject fantasy.
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> >If you really did not believe in Satan, it
> >would not bother you if he is mentioned.
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> It does not bother me that you mention Satan. It bothers me that you
> tell us lies.
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> >Prior to this atheists were
> >almost estatic whenever Harry Potter was mentioned, and Harry Potter
> >is definitely an imaginary being.
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> And you tell us more lies.
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> >What makes you so upset when Satan
> >is mentioned?
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> The mention does not upset me, your lies do. Of course, it doesn't
> bother me that you offer your dishonesty as an example of how to be a
> good LDS. I suppose that someone in SLC might be upset, since you really
> make LDS look bad with your intentional ignorance, foolishness and lies,
> but that is their problem, not mine.
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Well, maybe you would like me to send you a copy of the Bible.
Robert B. Winn