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rbwinn wrote:
> On Aug 3, 9:08�am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>> in alt.atheism:
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>>> On Aug 2, 8:52?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:37:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 8:26?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9dcddedb-bce6-457f-b0c5-d9a6d2bb6bd7@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:8ab589a3-2731-4a92-a41e-d6870a4e6f4b@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could provide some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of anything at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. Three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the construction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross station.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and decide for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still fail to
>>>>>>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the Bible.
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>>>>>>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the way one
>>>>>>>>>>> atheist claimed?
>>>>>>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>>>>>>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>>>>>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was the
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or is it
>>>>>>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this newsgroup?
>>>>>>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an atheist to
>>>>>>>>>>> make a decision about this.
>>>>>>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said that
>>>>>>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that there
>>>>>>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that are
>>>>>>>>>>> obviously true.
>>>>>>>>>> How about this mindblower:
>>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>>>>>>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the truthfulness
>>>>>>>>>> of the Bible.
>>>>>>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of them
>>>>>>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about humans.
>>>>>>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it describe
>>>>>>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>>>>>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has admitted
>>>>>>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel is
>>>>>>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the construction
>>>>>>>>> of something that can be observed.
>>>>>>>> And that's irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction book
>>>>>>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>>>>>>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get it.
>>>>>>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
>>>>>>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
>>>>>>> No, it is not irrelevant.
>>>>>> Yes. ?Yes, it is.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>>>>>>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but you
>>>>>>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would have
>>>>>>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>>>>>>>>> this will help you in your studies.
>>>>>>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me know.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> God already proved it. ?If you reject the atonement of Christ for your
>>>>>>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
>>>>>> God has done nothing of the sort. ?Someone told you that God proved it,
>>>>>> but do you have any evidence that he did?
>>>>>> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
>>>>>> show to exist is summarily rejected.
>>>>> There is no threat. ?You atheists say that you do not want to enter
>>>>> heaven.
>>>> Once again, you have chosen to lie. What we have said is that there is
>>>> no reason to believe in heaven because no evidence at all backs up your
>>>> claim that heaven exists. We have said nothing about wanting or not
>>>> wanting to enter it, though it is true that the heaven that many
>>>> Christians describe is hellishly oppressive.
>>>>> You will get exactly what you say you want. ?So where is the
>>>>> threat?
>>>> You act as if there is a hell. No evidence backs it up, yet you continue
>>>> to yammer on about this imaginary place.
>>>>> It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
>>>> Hell and heaven are both fantasies. No evidence backs up anything about
>>>> them. Every time you talk about it, you show us how completely deluded
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>>> I was not talking about hell. �You were. �I mention Satan once in a
>>> while, but only to designate that he is there.
>> Satan is not there. Satan is one of the gods borrowed by Christianity.
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>>> Choose for yourself
>>> what you are going to do.
>> Accept reality and reject fantasy.
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>>> If you really did not believe in Satan, it
>>> would not bother you if he is mentioned.
>> It does not bother me that you mention Satan. It bothers me that you
>> tell us lies.
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>>> Prior to this atheists were
>>> almost estatic whenever Harry Potter was mentioned, and Harry Potter
>>> is definitely an imaginary being.
>> And you tell us more lies.
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>>> What makes you so upset when Satan
>>> is mentioned?
>> The mention does not upset me, your lies do. Of course, it doesn't
>> bother me that you offer your dishonesty as an example of how to be a
>> good LDS. I suppose that someone in SLC might be upset, since you really
>> make LDS look bad with your intentional ignorance, foolishness and lies,
>> but that is their problem, not mine.
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> Well, maybe you would like me to send you a copy of the Bible.

Why?  Do you think he doesn't know the Bible?

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