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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:04:19 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote
in alt.atheism:

>On Aug 2, 9:51?am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>> > On Aug 1, 7:33 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>> On Aug 1, 6:48 am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>> >>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 04:48:10 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>> >>>> in alt.atheism:
>> >>>>> On Jul 31, 9:07?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>news:6feg2oFb88s6U1@mid.individual.net...
>> >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>news:03071fc3-e432-49b6-a4a5-c22bd4a879ab@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 9:45?pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)"
>> >>>>>>>> <alwh...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:47 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 1:19 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 12:11 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 9:59 am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:85ce5d7c-67c2-4090-8fd1-14d9b48f203d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are only two commandments in the Law of Christ:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Love the Lord thy God, Love thy neighbor as thyself.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ========
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I draw the line at giving my neighbour hand jobs.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as he will no doubt be relieved to hear).
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone who engages in homosexuality does not love the other
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> person,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> since he is contributing to that person's damnation.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No evidence backs up this silly claim.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you take it up with Einstein when he returns, that idea
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing to do with me.- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why would Einstein be interested in homosexuality?
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why would Jesus?- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>>>>>>>> All homosexuals will be judged by Jesus, the same as with sinners of
>> >>>>>>>>>> any kind.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>>>>>>> Why don't we just wait for him before judging them then?
>> >>>>>>>>> I happen to think that if anyone needs judging it is the liars and
>> >>>>>>>>> hypocrites. ?But you don't see me campaigning to remove their human
>> >>>>>>>>> rights.
>> >>>>>>>> Well, yes, I do. ? Like other atheists you campaign for abortion,
>> >>>>>>>> which removes the right to live of the people who are killed.
>> >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>> >>>>>>> Stop being such an idiot.
>> >>>>>>> Why do you equate atheism with pro-abortionism?
>> >>>>>>> They are not the same thing.
>> >>>>>>> You have already been corrected in your mistaken belief that all atheists
>> >>>>>>> are pro-abortion, so why do you insist on lying?
>> >>>>>> We may be (and I am) pro-choice, but none, AFAIK, are pro-abortion.
>> >>>>> Pro-choice today is used interchangably with pro-abortion.
>> >>>> Only by liars, particularly the liars who call themselves pro-life, but
>> >>>> prove by their politics that they love killing people.
>> >>>>> You are
>> >>>>> not pro-choice because you are opposed to the choices that would be
>> >>>>> made by any children killed by abortion.
>> >>>> Children are not killed by abortion.- Hide quoted text -
>> >>>> - Show quoted text -
>> >>> Well, here we are at another word besides gay that atheists are trying
>> >>> to change the meaning of. Fortunately for Christian people, we have
>> >>> the Bible.
>> >>> Luke 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of
>> >>> Nazareth, into Judea, unto the city of David, which is called
>> >>> Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
>> >>> 5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
>> >>> So do you really think you are going to be able to change the meaning?
>> >> Yes. We're not going to allow you to change the meaning of the word
>> >> "child" to mean anything from fertilization on.
>>
>> > Well, take a good look at verse five. ?That was not written by me. ?It
>> > was written by a physician .
>>
>> Verse 5....in which translation?
>>
>> Hint: ?Luke was not written in English.
>>
>
>It means the same in Greek as it does in English.

How familiar are you with ancient Greek. What word was used in Luke?
Feel free to transcribe it using the traditional Latin character
substitutes for the Greek letters, since usenet isn't necessarily
designed to support non-latin characters.

As for your desire to believe that Luke was a physician and that he
wrote the gospel of that name, no evidence supports it. The framing of
the gospel appears to be designed to target a certain audience. Framing
is not unusual. Simon Morgenstern is a fairly famous author of a story
called The Princess Bride. Of course, there is the problem that Simon
Morgenstern never existed except in the imagination, particularly of
William Goldman, but also of everyone who suspends disbelief long enough
to enjoy the story.

The Bible is a story. It can be fun to suspend disbelief for a while as
you read it, but you need to bring your critical facilities to bear
after a while. You do yourself no favor by deluding yourself about what
the Bible is.