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"Steve O" <nospamhere@thanks.com> wrote in message 
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> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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>> On Aug 1, 11:54?pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> > On Aug 1, 8:26 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>>> >>> On Jul 31, 6:21 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> >>>>> On Jul 31, 5:52 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 10:15 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 6:14 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 10:04?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 10:08 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>news:efa8da13-56b6-4386-bfe5-c571b689a669@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence at all about God.- Hide quoted 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text -
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like me to send you a copy of the Bible?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You could, but it would be much better if you could 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> provide some
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> God as well.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> God sent His Only Begotten Son, Steve. ?If that was not 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> enough for
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you, nothing I could do or say is going to convince you of 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Got any evidence that Jesus was the son of God?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please don't say, "the Bible" - that isn't evidence of 
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> anything at all,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> just an old, old story.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, actually the Bible is evidence of Hezekiah's tunnel. 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Three
>>> >>>>>>>>>> different books of the Old Testament describe the 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> construction of
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ================================
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Several of the Harry Potter books mention Kings Cross 
>>> >>>>>>>>>> station.
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Does that make the Harry Potter stories true?
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Smiler,
>>> >>>>>>>>> Why don't you spend some more time studying it, Smiler, and 
>>> >>>>>>>>> decide for
>>> >>>>>>>>> yourself? I know that atheists are a little lacking in self-
>>> >>>>>>>>> confidence, but I think you could decide this question for 
>>> >>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>> >>>>>>>> I've studied Hezekiah's Tunnel since you brought it up. I still 
>>> >>>>>>>> fail to
>>> >>>>>>>> see what its existence has to do with the truthfulness of the 
>>> >>>>>>>> Bible.
>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>> ******************************************************
>>> >>>>>>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
>>> >>>>>>> Well, first you would have to make a decision about Hezekiah's
>>> >>>>>>> tunnel. Does the tunnel really exist or is it just a hoax the 
>>> >>>>>>> way one
>>> >>>>>>> atheist claimed?
>>> >>>>>> Which atheist? Provide a quote.
>>> >>>>>>> Then if you decide it exists, how does that relate
>>> >>>>>>> to the description of its construction in the Old Testament? Was 
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>> tunnel seen today the tunnel described in the Old Testament, or 
>>> >>>>>>> is it
>>> >>>>>>> some other tunnel the way atheists continue to say in this 
>>> >>>>>>> newsgroup?
>>> >>>>>> Which atheists? Provide quotes.
>>> >>>>>>> I know this is difficult, but it really is possible for an 
>>> >>>>>>> atheist to
>>> >>>>>>> make a decision about this.
>>> >>>>>>> The verses of the Bible that describe the construction of 
>>> >>>>>>> Hezekiah's
>>> >>>>>>> tunnel are either true, or they are false. So far, having said 
>>> >>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>> the Bible is only myth, atheists are not willing to admit that 
>>> >>>>>>> there
>>> >>>>>>> are verses describing the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel that 
>>> >>>>>>> are
>>> >>>>>>> obviously true.
>>> >>>>>> How about this mindblower:
>>> >>>>>> Hezekiah's Tunnel exists. The Bible talks about it. The Bible is
>>> >>>>>> true...on this fact only...but has nothing to do with the 
>>> >>>>>> truthfulness
>>> >>>>>> of the Bible.
>>> >>>>>> Look at every fiction story ever written. A great majority of 
>>> >>>>>> them
>>> >>>>>> write about the Earth. An even greater majority talk about 
>>> >>>>>> humans.
>>> >>>>>> Does that mean that the book itself is now nonfiction since it 
>>> >>>>>> describe
>>> >>>>>> the Earth exactly how we see it today and how humans are?
>>> >>>>> Well, we have made progress to a point, that an atheist has 
>>> >>>>> admitted
>>> >>>>> that the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel 
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> true. First of all, not all fiction books describe the 
>>> >>>>> construction
>>> >>>>> of something that can be observed.
>>> >>>> And that's irrelevant.
>>> >>>>> But your premise is wrong. Just because you can find a fiction 
>>> >>>>> book
>>> >>>>> that describes something that can be seen does not prove that all
>>> >>>>> books that describe something that can be seen are fiction.
>>> >>>> Doesn't prove they're nonfiction, either. You're starting to get 
>>> >>>> it.
>>> >>>> Just because a book talks about the construction of something is
>>> >>>> irrelevant to the veracity of the book.
>>> >>> No, it is not irrelevant.
>>> >> Yes. Yes, it is.
>>>
>>> >>>>> The
>>> >>>>> furthest you can go would be to say that the book that describes
>>> >>>>> something that can be seen could be fiction or non-fiction, but 
>>> >>>>> you
>>> >>>>> cannot say that you have proven it to be fiction. So you would 
>>> >>>>> have
>>> >>>>> to find something else in the book that you claim is fiction, not
>>> >>>>> Hezekiah's tunnel, which has been proven to be non-fiction. I hope
>>> >>>>> this will help you in your studies.
>>> >>>> When you get on to proving that God thing as non-fiction, do let me 
>>> >>>> know.
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>> God already proved it. If you reject the atonement of Christ for 
>>> >>> your
>>> >>> sins, it is your problem, not mine.
>>> >> God has done nothing of the sort. Someone told you that God proved 
>>> >> it,
>>> >> but do you have any evidence that he did?
>>>
>>> >> PS: Your threat given vicariously through some dead guy we can't even
>>> >> show to exist is summarily rejected.
>>>
>>> > There is no threat. ?
>>>
>>> Sure there is. ?The failure to atone for "sins" is everlasting torture.
>>>
>>> > You atheists say that you do not want to enter
>>> > heaven. ?You will get exactly what you say you want. ?So where is the
>>> > threat?
>>> > It is a threat to give someone what they say they want?
>>>
>>> You've not heard of "Hell", have you?
>>
>> Well, but you atheists would be more miserable in the presence of God
>> than you would be in the presence of Satan.  If you want to be with
>> Satan, you should be allowed to be with Satan.
>> Robert B. winn
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> What, in your wild, loony imagination, would make you think that we would 
> " want to be with Satan"?

I certainly would not want to be anywhere that he and his ilk are.
Not for a moment, and assuredly not for eternity.